Roos on The Footy Show

[Mofra]

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Firstly its there is more to it than a prank about a chicken. There are sex acts depicted.
Why is a comparison between whats worse? Of course there are worse things that could have happen.
Not sure how its out of proportion? They players got a slap on the hand. As expected in a football town like Melbourne its news worthy. Do you think there are no lessons to be learnt here?

I bet North, their major sponsor and the AFL are delighted.

That would be the AFL's view. It sees part of it's push into NRL heartland as being a more family friendly game, then a bunch of men-children make one of the dumbest videos known to man.

How anyone with an IQ over 45 could find the video even tolerable is astonishing. As much as the issue is about the depiction of women, I'm more worried that peopel could actually wind up more stupid for having viewed the video more than once. A public health warning is needed.

[LostDoggy]

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That would be the AFL's view. It sees part of it's push into NRL heartland as being a more family friendly game, then a bunch of men-children make one of the dumbest videos known to man.

How anyone with an IQ over 45 could find the video even tolerable is astonishing. As much as the issue is about the depiction of women, I'm more worried that peopel could actually wind up more stupid for having viewed the video more than once. A public health warning is needed.

Agree with you Mofra - I actually didn't even try to see the whole video - (why would I want to?), I only saw the snippets that were on the news and on the Footy Show.

[LostDoggy]

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Well Tony Shaw and Brian Taylor on tonight's edition of AFL Teams, couldn't see what all the hype is about and believe it should have been kept "in house" for the club to deal with. I have not seen the video (but get the gist from the media coverage) and I don't watch the Footy Show (gave up on it 3 years ago). I did read an opinion piece on the subject in yesterday's Age where it was noted that this has come from the club that produced and adored Wayne Carey. Great footballer yes, reasonably behaved person no. Mind you, they are not the first club to support a brilliant career footballer who's out of hours behaviour is socially unacceptable.

As for the video, I'm with Magic above - if a group of our players were involved in something like this I would not be impressed and could not see a way to defend it. The comments from alwaysadog about humiliating an under performing player each week, or whatever, also adds to the whole tastelessness of the thing.

Sadly I'm not surprised by the incident. We are a fair way from a society that treats everyone (or even themselves) with a due amount of respect.

This doesn't mean I don't have a sense of humour or find political correctness over the top at times. Borat was one of the funniest films I have ever seen.

[BulldogBelle]

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Well Tony Shaw and Brian Taylor on tonight's edition of AFL Teams, couldn't see what all the hype is about and believe it should have been kept "in house" for the club to deal with.

Rohan Smith also brought up another point during the show which has some merit...why is it only Pratt and Simpson that stepped up to the plate to own up and why didn't the other 5 that were involved come forward?

[LostDoggy]

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Rohan Smith also brought up another point during the show which has some merit...why is it only Pratt and Simpson that stepped up to the plate to own up and why didn't the other 5 that were involved come forward?

And it is hard to believe that Simpson was involved anyway. However if 7 players were hauled over the coals that has a big impact on next week's playing list I presume. Basically it is about protecting the club, not making amends for inappropriate behaviour IMHO.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Okay Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - you have encouraged me to post as a female member - I read the initial post last night after watching Simpson & Pratt on the Footy Show, and was flabbergasted that someone thought it was just a prank and a beat up. I totally agree with your comments - even the way Simpson & Pratt were apologising seemed to me that they had totally missed the point - "only intended for internal viewing"! The very fact that this was made at all is the point - I also baulked at something Brayshaw said about the club - I mean this is the club where players have admitted having affairs with other players wives, arguments & punch-ups, etc. It would appear that the culture at North Melbourne has a way to go given their track record. I would be totally mortified if our team was ever involved it anything of this nature. It is totally school shelter shed stuff but possibly a bit more violent, and grown, mature men should know better. It showed a complete lack of respect of women in general. Even the sniggering in the audience left me cold - is it just that Australian culture is to try and make a joke of something, rather than really face the issues? I as a female would be interested in hearing any comments from our male members who have young sons and think about whether you would be happy for them to be involved in something like this?

MG thanks for your honest thoughts on this from a female perspective. The fact the audience were sniggering made me feel uneasy as well.

If as some suggest the senior players are taking the fall for others who were behind it, then I think it only serves to further reinforce that North just don't get it?

Those responsible should have to face the music, they should be made to feel uneasy with the scrutiny that would follow. Only then would they fully appreciate how serious it is , and we in return would be more willing to believe their contrition.

I don't see any difference here between racially vilifying someone and this to be honest, and the real perpretators should have to publically face the music in both cases, not be covered for by their mates, if this is truly what Simpson and co are doing.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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It's a really hard call; lot's of important issues about women and violence at least subliminally that are indefensible.

More important to me is the fact that North have a culture of singling out the weeks/ months/years worst performer and publicly awarding a booby prize; a process of humiliation.

Nothing I have ever read about motivation and there was a metastudy conducted only a couple of years ago, has ever suggested that this produces positive results.

I suspect that someone needs to have a word in the collective NM ear and suggest that if you consciously include humiliation in your culture it will be taken out ultimately, on others less powerful. It doesn't take a genius to realise that in the case of hairy chested males this will be women.

This is quite disturbing, and I agree with your conclusion as to where this can lead to.

[AndrewP6]

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Okay Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - you have encouraged me to post as a female member - I read the initial post last night after watching Simpson & Pratt on the Footy Show, and was flabbergasted that someone thought it was just a prank and a beat up. I totally agree with your comments - even the way Simpson & Pratt were apologising seemed to me that they had totally missed the point - "only intended for internal viewing"! The very fact that this was made at all is the point - I also baulked at something Brayshaw said about the club - I mean this is the club where players have admitted having affairs with other players wives, arguments & punch-ups, etc. It would appear that the culture at North Melbourne has a way to go given their track record. I would be totally mortified if our team was ever involved it anything of this nature. It is totally school shelter shed stuff but possibly a bit more violent, and grown, mature men should know better. It showed a complete lack of respect of women in general. Even the sniggering in the audience left me cold - is it just that Australian culture is to try and make a joke of something, rather than really face the issues? I as a female would be interested in hearing any comments from our male members who have young sons and think about whether you would be happy for them to be involved in something like this?

Magic Griffin, thanks for your input... perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on several points. I think that the people involved (and for the record, I don't think Simpson was really involved) were stupid. They were thoughtless, and inconsiderate. However, I stick to my view that it was only a stupid prank (and a beat-up), and that far too much has been made of it. I am amazed so many would be so offended. I personally didn't find the video particularly amusing, but to equate it to real acts of violence is silly. It was a rubber chicken, remember. It's not real. Plenty of children run around play-fighting and shooting toy guns, they don't all turn out to be murderers. If NM's culture was so bad, they wouldn't have bothered making their players front the media (and make no mistake, they were MADE to do that!) They could easily have dismissed it, but chose to distance the club itself from the schoolboy prank staged by a few. They deserve credit -even if their hand was forced. If any of our players were involved in something similar, AND owned up to it, I'd say "Big dumb footballers"...then move on. They're human, and people expect far too much from these blokes. They're good at footy, not rocket science. They (NM) messed up, they said sorry. Simple as that.

No, I don't have my own children. However, if, as an adult, my son was involved in a similar prank, I'd say "That was stupid." But it's hardly worthy of capital punishment. Plenty of other bad things happening in the world to spend our days worrying about "Boris"

[LostDoggy]

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Magic Griffin, thanks for your input... perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on several points. I think that the people involved (and for the record, I don't think Simpson was really involved) were stupid. They were thoughtless, and inconsiderate. However, I stick to my view that it was only a stupid prank (and a beat-up), and that far too much has been made of it. I am amazed so many would be so offended. I personally didn't find the video particularly amusing, but to equate it to real acts of violence is silly. It was a rubber chicken, remember. It's not real. Plenty of children run around play-fighting and shooting toy guns, they don't all turn out to be murderers. If NM's culture was so bad, they wouldn't have bothered making their players front the media (and make no mistake, they were MADE to do that!) They could easily have dismissed it, but chose to distance the club itself from the schoolboy prank staged by a few. They deserve credit -even if their hand was forced. If any of our players were involved in something similar, AND owned up to it, I'd say "Big dumb footballers"...then move on. They're human, and people expect far too much from these blokes. They're good at footy, not rocket science. They (NM) messed up, they said sorry. Simple as that.

No, I don't have my own children. However, if, as an adult, my son was involved in a similar prank, I'd say "That was stupid." But it's hardly worthy of capital punishment. Plenty of other bad things happening in the world to spend our days worrying about "Boris"

No problem - what I forgot to post that obviously we all have different opinions and thoughts and whilst we differ, I respect your right to have a different opinion than me

[LostDoggy]

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It was a rubber chicken, remember. It's not real. Plenty of children run around play-fighting and shooting toy guns, they don't all turn out to be murderers.

Yes Children do that. These are grown men.
Simulating shooting with toys between kids is one thing not sure how you can compere it with simulating sex with a real chicken and rubber one in a video made by so called adults.

[AndrewP6]

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Yes Children do that. These are grown men.
Simulating shooting with toys between kids is one thing not sure how you can compere it with simulating sex with a real chicken and rubber one in a video made by so called adults.

Uh, because sex between a rubber chicken and a dead, frozen one CAN'T HAPPEN! It's ludicrous, like the video itself... No real, live chickens were used, if that happened I'd be repulsed. Yes, they're grown men (although some newer players aren't really "men" yet, I'd argue!) but as I mentioned, no one could accuse them all of being intelligent. That's not their strong suit. Does anyone really think they know better? Yes, we all know they SHOULD know better, but to think they all do, is giving them far too much credit. "Big dumb footballers" were my words. And that's what they are.

[Remi Moses]

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Okay Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - you have encouraged me to post as a female member - I read the initial post last night after watching Simpson & Pratt on the Footy Show, and was flabbergasted that someone thought it was just a prank and a beat up. I totally agree with your comments - even the way Simpson & Pratt were apologising seemed to me that they had totally missed the point - "only intended for internal viewing"! The very fact that this was made at all is the point - I also baulked at something Brayshaw said about the club - I mean this is the club where players have admitted having affairs with other players wives, arguments & punch-ups, etc. It would appear that the culture at North Melbourne has a way to go given their track record. I would be totally mortified if our team was ever involved it anything of this nature. It is totally school shelter shed stuff but possibly a bit more violent, and grown, mature men should know better. It showed a complete lack of respect of women in general. Even the sniggering in the audience left me cold - is it just that Australian culture is to try and make a joke of something, rather than really face the issues? I as a female would be interested in hearing any comments from our male members who have young sons and think about whether you would be happy for them to be involved in something like this?

Well Done total knucle dragging neandathal, puerile infetile 12 year old stupid unfunny so called prank.Jesus sometimes I wonder If some of us males are stuck in the caveman era .As for Tony Shaw he once thought it was okay to racially abuse someone to gain an ''edge'' in battle.

[Remi Moses]

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If they win this week is that the ol' chickenbone spirit. Sorry couldn't resist.

[AndrewP6]

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If they win this week is that the ol' chickenbone spirit. Sorry couldn't resist.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!:

Hilarious... Good to hear someone with a sense of humour....

[LostDoggy]

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Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, as another female member, I totaly agree with Magic Griffin and Ms Bulldog. Watching Simpson and Pratt on the footy show taking the rap, while members of the audience laughed and sniggered, made me feel really uncomfortable. They may have only been a rubber chicken and a frozen chicken, but the simulation of rape and violence is a very real expereince for many women in Australia (half of the incidents are never reported to police).

I do think that sometimes political correctness goes a bit far - but I can also remember as a teenager growing up in the 70s, it was the social view that if a woman got raped, it was because she shouldn't have been there (walking home, getting into a car with a male, being at a party etc etc), or she was dressed in too revealing clothes, or she was asking for it. The responsibility for the rape was always on the victim never the perpetrator of the violence. I would like to think that society has moved a long way away since then, but unfortunately incidents like this just reinforce the old stereotypes about women. It has been really heartening for me to hear so many of the men on this forum speak out against it - well done guys

Finally, if North Melbourne as a club was genuine about stamping out violence and sexual assault, these players would not be playing this weekend. You really do have to admire Collingwood FC for taking the stand they did last year against Shaw and Didak.