Ins and Outs Round 4?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Ins and Outs Round 4?

Assuming Eade is not playing games (dangerous assumption) we have 6 names for 3 spots as Gia would be an automatic selection. Tiller and Everitt as utility talls, Harbrow, Ward, and Reid as runners and Grant as a leading forward.

So the question is really one of mix, do we play a bench with two talls and two runners, or one tall and three runners?

In the case of Scenario 1 I would suggest we play Everitt and Tiller. Everitt as a tall runner and marking option through the middle lining up on a flank or on the wing and Tiller as a swingman either loose in defence or as a lead up forward. In Tiller's first game which was against West Coast in 2007 he played as full forward so it might be interesting to see if two years down the track he can do any better. I would love for us to play Grant but I still think it is too early, especially against a team coached by Worsfold (he was a hitman as a player and I don't think much has changed), he may send someone out to try and break him.

I would sellect Gia and Harbrow as the two runners, Gia needs no explanation; Harbrow has shown the ability to play forward, back and through the middle and based on his versatility and senior experience might get the nod.

In the case of scenario two I would suggest Tiller for the reasons outlined above as well as Gia, Harbrow and (I know I will get shot down for this) Reid.

Why Reid?? I have liked what I have seen of him, he looks dangerous lining up on the half back line or in the middle, he is strong and quick and has pretty good disposal. Playing him on half back might free up Gilbee to play as an outside runner in the middle or up forward.

Of course the reason I will get shot down is why not Ward?? I think that Ward will be a gun, he knows how to get the ball, he is brave and tough and all of those good things but... how many times in the last three weeks has he been run down or blindsided? How many times has he held the ball for just a second too long and then under pressure not found a target in space?? As one poster commented after the Freemantle game it was almost as if he was slow (which I don't think he is), that he doesn't explode as soon as he gets the ball in orer to find that free space. Tough a nut as he is he is not yet strong enough through the core to take the hit and still hit a target ala Boyd, Cross and Cooney.

I am really 50/50 on this call becasue I am not sure if it is better to persist with him in the hope that he can improve on this aspect at AFL level, or if he goes to the twos for a couple of weeks so he can focus on this against lesser opponents.

So that is what I would like to see, however I think Eade will choose Tiller, Gia, Harborw and Ward, with Grant and Reid being put on the Emergency List as an incentive to keep up their form and sending a messager to Everitt that he needs to force his way back into the side it won't just be handed to him.

[Bornadog]

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Assuming Eade is not playing games (dangerous assumption) we have 6 names for 3 spots as Gia would be an automatic selection. Tiller and Everitt as utility talls, Harbrow, Ward, and Reid as runners and Grant as a leading forward.

So the question is really one of mix, do we play a bench with two talls and two runners, or one tall and three runners?

In the case of Scenario 1 I would suggest we play Everitt and Tiller. Everitt as a tall runner and marking option through the middle lining up on a flank or on the wing and Tiller as a swingman either loose in defence or as a lead up forward. In Tiller's first game which was against West Coast in 2007 he played as full forward so it might be interesting to see if two years down the track he can do any better. I would love for us to play Grant but I still think it is too early, especially against a team coached by Worsfold (he was a hitman as a player and I don't think much has changed), he may send someone out to try and break him.

I would sellect Gia and Harbrow as the two runners, Gia needs no explanation; Harbrow has shown the ability to play forward, back and through the middle and based on his versatility and senior experience might get the nod.

In the case of scenario two I would suggest Tiller for the reasons outlined above as well as Gia, Harbrow and (I know I will get shot down for this) Reid.

Why Reid?? I have liked what I have seen of him, he looks dangerous lining up on the half back line or in the middle, he is strong and quick and has pretty good disposal. Playing him on half back might free up Gilbee to play as an outside runner in the middle or up forward.

Of course the reason I will get shot down is why not Ward?? I think that Ward will be a gun, he knows how to get the ball, he is brave and tough and all of those good things but... how many times in the last three weeks has he been run down or blindsided? How many times has he held the ball for just a second too long and then under pressure not found a target in space?? As one poster commented after the Freemantle game it was almost as if he was slow (which I don't think he is), that he doesn't explode as soon as he gets the ball in orer to find that free space. Tough a nut as he is he is not yet strong enough through the core to take the hit and still hit a target ala Boyd, Cross and Cooney.

I am really 50/50 on this call becasue I am not sure if it is better to persist with him in the hope that he can improve on this aspect at AFL level, or if he goes to the twos for a couple of weeks so he can focus on this against lesser opponents.

So that is what I would like to see, however I think Eade will choose Tiller, Gia, Harborw and Ward, with Grant and Reid being put on the Emergency List as an incentive to keep up their form and sending a messager to Everitt that he needs to force his way back into the side it won't just be handed to him.

I tend to agree with most of what you said. Ward did have an ordinary game last week and only picked up 13 possessions, however, I think Everitt will come in for Cooney.

[Scorlibo]

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Giansiracusa, Everitt, Harbrow, Ward, Reid, Grant and Tiller

Gia will play.

One of Everitt and Tiller will play - probably Everitt with his run on Subi - he played against Freo.

That leaves two of Harbrow, Ward, Reid and Grant.

Ward has played all the games but could also be due for a rest at Willi.

Reid would be the best replacement for Cooney, with his strength and speed.

Harbrow is coming off an injury concern and is most effective in tight situations - which wouldn't be the case at Subi.

Grant is in good form at Willi and could use the expanses of Subi for his smart leading to space.

In the end, I think it willl turn out to be a bench of:

Everitt, Giansiracusa, Harbrow, Reid.

Harbrow picked for his ability to rotate through the middle.

[The Coon Dog]

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One of Everitt and Tiller will play - probably Everitt with his run on Subi - he played against Freo.

So did Tiller.

[LostDoggy]

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The difference is that Skipper is an undersized ruckman while Wight despite the fact that he is 200cm is not a ruckman's big toe. Skipper is also vastly stronger in a contest. I don't agree that Wight'd get more disposals than Skipper or Minson and based on reports from the VFL his form doesn't warrant it in the slightest. I'd think a fit Roughead would be ahead of Wight in the ruck stakes.

Personally I think Minson is doing enough to justify his spot in the side but if we were to leave him out this week would it be more beneficial playing Wight in the ruck on the big ground at Subiaco.
IMO he would get more disposals then both Skipper and Minson and is better athletically. He wouldnt be able to play the forward line role but IMO Skipper is too undersized to play as a full time ruckmen in the AFL so in the center the differance between Skipper and Wight wouldnt be massive.

I hate to be negative but my least favourite bulldog players, the most inept from my point of view, for the last several years have been Rawlings, Power and Wight. I really dont expect Wight to feature again unless something drastic happens to his skills and decisions, all he has going is hieght and he has shown courage on occasion.

I still think this is a good opportunity to try Grant as long as the rest of the bench was picked on experience.

[ledge]

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As much as a lot of posters dont think Wight is up to it, not a bad thing if we can only say one player in our whole list isnt up to it.
We do have a great list that most teams would envy.
Wight to me is now only filling a spot as no doubt Grant, Everitt, Roughead etc will certainly be above him in the near future if not already.

[comrade]

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As much as a lot of posters dont think Wight is up to it, not a bad thing if we can only say one player in our whole list isnt up to it.
We do have a great list that most teams would envy.
Wight to me is now only filling a spot as no doubt Grant, Everitt, Roughead etc will certainly be above him in the near future if not already.

As far as ranking our list IMO:

Grant, Everitt, Tiller, Roughead and Cordy are all well ahead of Wight now, with Boumann not far away and hopefully Liam Jones progressing as well.

[bulldogtragic]

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As far as ranking our list IMO:

Grant, Everitt, Tiller, Roughead and Cordy are all well ahead of Wight now, with Boumann not far away and hopefully Liam Jones progressing as well.

Shame we offered two years.

[Happy Days]

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Teams are in:

In: Harbrow
Out: Cooney

Shame not to see Grant get a gig but Harbrow makes the most sense.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Ins and Outs Round 4?

Teams are in:

In: Harbrow
Out: Cooney

Shame not to see Grant get a gig but Harbrow makes the most sense.

Andreajs must be chomping at the bit, i hope he plays an absolute blinder.

Hopefully Grant and Reid have got the 'sniff' now and also up their performances.

[Mantis]

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Probably the obvious change.

Going on previous form there might be another change. I guess we will know more once Williamstown have played.

[GVGjr]

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Teams are in:

In: Harbrow
Out: Cooney

Shame not to see Grant get a gig but Harbrow makes the most sense.

It's only an interim list as far as I am concerned. If Eade really wants to pull a surprise, then he should just go into the game as selected. I think Reid is firming for a spot in the 22.

[boydogs]

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I like the balance of our defense with Everitt in - including one on the bench two tall defenders (lake and williams), two flexible mid sized defenders (morris and hargrave), two smalls (addison/gilbee/callan) and an attacking defender - Everitt. I have heard Eade say before he wants our defenders to play on more/quicker (e.g. brian lake), basketball style fast breaks are becoming common to beat the flood/zone.

I see Everitt as our emerging Tadhg Kennelly - break the lines out of the defense and set up an offensive play. This is not Tiller's style, and with Lake, Williams, Morris and Hargrave automatic backline selections (Addison and Gilbee are automatic as well but can play in other positions) I would prefer to add a player of Everitt's attacking nature

Griffen did play the bust out of defense role for us before moving to the midfield, and now especially with the penetration of Gilbee further up the ground I think it is something we need to introduce again

What does everyone else think, and what may Eade be thinking?

[LostDoggy]

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I hope there is a change with Everitt in for Harbrow, which can free up Gilbee to spend time in the middle..

Who do we need to worry about in WC fwd line? LeCras, McKinley, Lynch & Hansen? Are any of those players considered dangerous? McKinley hasnt found form in his last 2 games so maybe he's due for a big one..who will take him?

[Happy Days]

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McKinley hasnt found form in his last 2 games so maybe he's due for a big one..who will take him?

He's been dropped for this week.