Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

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  • Bulldog Revolution
    Coaching Staff
    • Dec 2006
    • 3925

    #16
    Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

    Originally posted by mjp
    He is what he is - a good young player still trying to find his way into the side and along the way find his best position.
    For me this is the issue in a nutshell,

    I was particularly impressed with his attack on the ball on Sunday - some great examples in the first quarter

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    • Missing Dog
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8501

      #17
      Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

      No doubt at times his height has worked against him, he is not a key position player however initially he was trialled there without success because of his height. I think we all can see now that he plays like a midfielder and in years to come he should hopefully turn into a valuable utility who can pinch hit at either end of the ground as well as through the midfield depending on match ups.

      Defensively, he would be an ideal match up for a resting ruckman up forward ala Gilbee in 2006, most opposition sides only have them pinch hit for small periods of games in order to maximize midfield rotations on the bench and their actual affect on the game is minimal. Ideally Everitt can compete with them in the air enough to make a contest and more importantly he can really hurt them when the ball hits in the ground in his ability to run and pin point targets coming out of defence. For the remaining periods of the game he can run through the midfield and across half forward. As a side we need to begin to show more confidence in him as a player and actually look to give him the ball in order to hurt the opposition with his foot skills, he is actually a good kick of the ball and generally a good decision maker however I don't think we acknowledge or use him enough in this area.

      He certainly offers us something different to the many similar players we have on the list and if he can perform at a consistent level his versatility would certainly be a handy commodity in our best 22. At the end of the day you can't argue with performances and at this stage of his career he simply needs to consistently perform and get some runs on the board and build from there. He does appear to be a confidence player so hopefully things can work out well for him in the pre-season and he can launch his season from there.

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      • stefoid
        Senior Player
        • Dec 2009
        • 1846

        #18
        Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

        yeah, he can kick them on the run too.

        Would have slotted extremely well into the saints rolling zone press where he would be required to guard space more than an actual opponent, then provide run and accurate long kicking going the other way.

        I was spewing to see his name bandied about as trade bait. St Kilda could have cleaned us up there, but luckilly they kept their 1st rounder that would have sealed the deal for Lovett instead

        As for us, long term I agree with Swoop - will be able to take on Johnos role as high half forward and/or Hargs role as rebounding 3rd tall who is able to handle smaller opponents.

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        • Mofra
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2006
          • 14945

          #19
          Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

          I'm thinking there will be a different role opening up for him that hasn't really been a factor before in football - the KPP-height midfielder.

          Cale Morton is a gun - at 193cm.
          Malthouse as bandied around the use of Josh Fraser as a wingman.
          Goodes was another ruck-sized midfielder.
          Jon Brown has taken the odd centre square role at bounces.
          Heck, even the former mastermind coach of a Western-Suburbs based canine-themed team put Darcy in the centre square for his clearance work when he wasn't taking the ruck contest.

          Everitt's game style may be perfect for the way football is headed; he can play a run with role on the bigger mids, and his footskills willbe important for piercing opposition zones.
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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #20
            Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

            I think Everitt is a very important and versatile player for us with a good footy brain and great skills, he should play more often than not this year but unless he gains 10 kilos he shouldnt be playing in the backline, body on body, vs anyone because that is his weakness. He has plenty of strengths and hopefully, as of Sunday, we will be seeing him utilised better rather than patching holes down back.

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            • The Bulldogs Bite
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 11244

              #21
              Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

              Originally posted by mjp
              This is the subject though. The call is Everitt to the forward line and part of the reasoning is that he lacks intensity? I don't buy it.

              Because he looks lackadaisical doesn't mean he is...
              The coach said as much that Everitt needed to lift his intensity. It's evident from training and Sunday's game that he's done that. However, the last two seasons he hasn't been able to consistently put that together. His game in round 22 v Collingwood was great because he showed some real determination to win the ball, run hard and create. In many other games that intensity and work rate simply wasn't there.

              Williams doesn't take a backward step he is intense at the contest? 10m late to the contest as often as not. Williams gets a free pass on all of this stuff even though he was a higher draft pick and has been at the club longer - Everitt cops criticism from one and all. Why is that exactly? He was terrific as a rookie, has played every position under the sun in his limited appearances (Williams has played two or, at most 3 if you include the back pocket) and has made a reasonable fist of most of them. Yes, I know Williams has been injured. Everitt has had a better run, but has copped his share as well.
              As I said - Williams struggles to read the play. It's his biggest flaw and why he regularly is second to the ball even against players much slower than himself. He's always tried hard. Work rate's never been a real fault of his. I remember Eade saying he used to train and push himself a little too hard.

              Everitt had a terrific first year but went backwards after that. I went to several training sessions last year and he'd always be in the last few with every running drill. He didn't push himself, his intensity for training and playing was up and down and this reflected on his performances. He identified this as the problem, which is why he's had a fantastic pre-season.

              I don't think anyone gives Williams' a free pass, either. Most are pretty aware that he has a whole lot to learn before he can call himself an established senior AFL footballer.

              Can't we appreciate Everitt for what he truly is? A terrific, tall running utility who kicks the ball very well. He will play back and forward and as a runner as required. There will be times he has to play back - and that is fine as he can cover talls and mid-sizers pretty well. He can go forward and provide a target. He can run through the midfield in short bursts.
              He should never play back IMO. It's a myth that he can play on smalls and talls. He's not a defender at all. For two years they played him on a whole range of talls, mediums and smalls. Even at Williamstown he struggled. Not sure he has the strength and immediate acceleration to keep up with senior forwards.

              Everitt should play as a half forward swapping wingman, emulating Morton, Embley and co. I really like what he can bring to the side, he's one of my favourite players so i really hope he can find a role and produce. Could definitely help us take the next step.
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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #22
                Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                He should never play back IMO. It's a myth that he can play on smalls and talls. He's not a defender at all. For two years they played him on a whole range of talls, mediums and smalls. Even at Williamstown he struggled. Not sure he has the strength and immediate acceleration to keep up with senior forwards.

                Everitt should play as a half forward swapping wingman, emulating Morton, Embley and co. I really like what he can bring to the side, he's one of my favourite players so i really hope he can find a role and produce. Could definitely help us take the next step.
                I guess that was my main concern was that i really dont like seeing Everitt played down back as they have tended to use him in the past. A half forward / wingman is his game and i just hope that he is played there consistently this year.

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                • wimberga
                  WOOF Member
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 851

                  #23
                  Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                  Anyone know what kind of role Eade had earmarked for Everitt when he was first drafted?

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                  • Greystache
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9775

                    #24
                    Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                    Originally posted by wimberga
                    Anyone know what kind of role Eade had earmarked for Everitt when he was first drafted?
                    I don't know about Eade, but I know Scott Clayton to this day is adamant he drafted Everitt as a forward. He thinks his best position is playing out of the goal square. I can't say I agree with that, but I do agree that the forward line is his go, I think a mobile CHF in the mould of a Riewoldt.
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                    • Go_Dogs
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 10152

                      #25
                      Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                      Originally posted by Greystache
                      I don't know about Eade, but I know Scott Clayton to this day is adamant he drafted Everitt as a forward. He thinks his best position is playing out of the goal square.
                      Really? I seem to remember him being touted as "a modern day CHB, good runner with good skills" at the time he was drafted. I would love to see those comments by Clayton though if they are around somewhere.

                      He's still got plenty of development ahead of him, and will continue to improve his strength the older he gets. At the moment his best position is probably off a flank or a wing, but longer-term he could still end up being a CHB, or a KPF. Ideally he'll be able to play just about any position on the ground, which I think will be case eventually.
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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #26
                        Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        His kicking is extremely good as evidenced by the 2 set shots he slotted with ease on Sunday with a water-logged ball.

                        ES, can you remember some examples that have lead you to believe that Everitt's kicking is poor?
                        A few including the last game against Collingwood.

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                        • Greystache
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9775

                          #27
                          Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                          Originally posted by Griffen#16
                          Really? I seem to remember him being touted as "a modern day CHB, good runner with good skills" at the time he was drafted. I would love to see those comments by Clayton though if they are around somewhere.

                          He's still got plenty of development ahead of him, and will continue to improve his strength the older he gets. At the moment his best position is probably off a flank or a wing, but longer-term he could still end up being a CHB, or a KPF. Ideally he'll be able to play just about any position on the ground, which I think will be case eventually.
                          I don't know if he's been quoted in the press saying it, but he's a family friend and has mentioned several times that's where he thinks Everitt should play.
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                          • Go_Dogs
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10152

                            #28
                            Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                            Originally posted by Greystache
                            I don't know if he's been quoted in the press saying it, but he's a family friend and has mentioned several times that's where he thinks Everitt should play.
                            Interesting. Thanks for that.
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                            • Greystache
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 9775

                              #29
                              Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                              Originally posted by ErnieSigley
                              A few including the last game against Collingwood.
                              The game where he kicked a lovely goal on the run from 50m in the first quarter?
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                              • Mantis
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 15444

                                #30
                                Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

                                Originally posted by ErnieSigley
                                A few including the last game against Collingwood.
                                Can you be a bit more specific?

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