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  • Rocco Jones
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jun 2008
    • 6924

    Tiller as a forward?

    Lake, Morris and Williams give us decent depth in tall defensive options and it seems a bit of a waste to send Tiller back to Willy when we need a forward KP option.

    I wouldn't drop Tiller either way as I have him ahead of Williams at the moment.
  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: Tiller as a forward?

    Don't think he would be able to hold down the forward line, and would take a little while to transform into a forward.

    I also have Williams ahead of him in the peaking order.

    His last two games have been good, beat Miller & also contained Rooke last Friday night.

    Tiller got beaten yesterday.

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    • ledge
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2007
      • 14122

      #3
      Re: Tiller as a forward?

      Don't think he would be able to hold down the forward line, and would take a little while to transform into a forward.

      Tiller came as a forward and played his first few games in the seniors as a foward and kicked a couple, last time he played forward i saw him on his own a lot but we never kicked it to him, he has good strong hands and leads well.
      IMO he should be forward and USED!
      Bring back the biff

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #4
        Re: Tiller as a forward?

        Originally posted by ledge
        Don't think he would be able to hold down the forward line, and would take a little while to transform into a forward.

        Tiller came as a forward and played his first few games in the seniors as a foward and kicked a couple, last time he played forward i saw him on his own a lot but we never kicked it to him, he has good strong hands and leads well.
        IMO he should be forward and USED!
        Drafted 5 years ago as a forward, has really lit up in that area as well....

        Has started to establish himself as a good back line player, i wouldn't move him anywhere.

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        • dog town
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2007
          • 1899

          #5
          Re: Tiller as a forward?

          Originally posted by Rocco Jones
          Lake, Morris and Williams give us decent depth in tall defensive options and it seems a bit of a waste to send Tiller back to Willy when we need a forward KP option.

          I wouldn't drop Tiller either way as I have him ahead of Williams at the moment.
          I like having guys like Tiller and Callan that we can call on for defensive roles. Both are tough competitors and both proved themselves under the finals spotlight last year imo. It does give us a few options having these 2 for depth. I have often wondered why they didn't give Tller a go as a lead up forward when Murphy was out. He is a hard worker and has improved significantly since he was last tried in that role. No reason he couldn't give us a little bit up forward when needed.

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          • lemmon
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Nov 2008
            • 6501

            #6
            Re: Tiller as a forward?

            Drafted as a forward, played his junior footy as a forward and performed well in his early games in the forward line. He's got a strong pair of hands, quick on the lead and will provide that forward line pressure that Hahn and Harbrow do.
            For the first time in a long time we have an embarrasment of riches in regards to tall backmen so why not throw him forward again. Hes certainly a better option then Lake at full forward.

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            • azabob
              Hall of Fame
              • Sep 2008
              • 15207

              #7
              Re: Tiller as a forward?

              There must be a reason why he isn't played there.
              Is he quick enough?
              Maybe someone close to the club can find out why.
              More of an In Bruges guy?

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              • hujsh
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2007
                • 11831

                #8
                Re: Tiller as a forward?

                Originally posted by bobmurphy
                There must be a reason why he isn't played there.
                Is he quick enough?
                Maybe someone close to the club can find out why.
                When he made his debut they showed footage of Eade and co discussing whether to pick him or not at selection.

                They listed his pace off the mark as a strength that could help him
                [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                • FrediKanoute
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 3814

                  #9
                  Re: Tiller as a forward?

                  Originally posted by bobmurphy
                  There must be a reason why he isn't played there.
                  Is he quick enough?
                  Maybe someone close to the club can find out why.
                  I haven´t seen Tiller in a while, but can I throw up a problem I noticed previously.....he has a wide turning circle makingit difficult to back up multiple leads. In the backline he can un in one direction...straight ahead a lixury he doesn´t have in the forward line.

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                  • Cyberdoggie
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 2859

                    #10
                    Re: Tiller as a forward?

                    Originally posted by hujsh
                    When he made his debut they showed footage of Eade and co discussing whether to pick him or not at selection.

                    They listed his pace off the mark as a strength that could help him
                    I would say he is average paced.

                    Problem is he is not the most agile, certainly doesn't have any of Bobby's tricks.

                    When we tried him as a forward a couple of seasons ago he kicked 2 goals in a game i believe, both from leads and marks. However he didn't look really quick as a lead up forward, and wasn't strong enough to challenge anyone as a contesting forward.
                    I think his bodied has certainly matured now and has enough weight behind him to be reasonably effective as a defender.

                    Tiller always played up forward like a Murphy across the 50 or leading like a Lloyd/fevola out of the goal square. My big doubt with Tiller is his acceleration and lack of tricks in the bag to play that role. He needs some of Johnno's tricks like the nudge the defender under the ball and run on trick. If he showed some of that flair then he might be an option.
                    Worth a shot from time to time though.

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                    • Mofra
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 14868

                      #11
                      Re: Tiller as a forward?

                      I would think he could play Mitch's role if he went down, and I've often though Tiller would be handy as he is quite good overhead. Problem is he doesn't get tried at Willy as a forward so may be some difficulty in adjusting, but he can't look any worse than Lake or Williams down there (he looked better two years ago there than either Lake or Williams did this year).
                      Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                      • Desipura
                        WOOF Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 4344

                        #12
                        Re: Tiller as a forward?

                        I have mentioned it a number of times, I cannot see him getting a game as a forward whilst Welsh is still playing

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                        • boydogs
                          WOOF Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 5842

                          #13
                          Re: Tiller as a forward?

                          Originally posted by lemmon
                          Drafted as a forward, played his junior footy as a forward and performed well in his early games in the forward line. He's got a strong pair of hands, quick on the lead and will provide that forward line pressure that Hahn and Harbrow do.
                          For the first time in a long time we have an embarrasment of riches in regards to tall backmen so why not throw him forward again. Hes certainly a better option then Lake at full forward.
                          Performed well in his early games in the forward line
                          Agree, and he has improved since then

                          He's got a strong pair of hands
                          Agree

                          Quick on the lead
                          Agree

                          Provide that forward line pressure that Hahn and Harbrow do
                          Agree - but the trouble will be he is the same sort of player as our existing forwards like Hahn and Welsh.

                          For the first time in a long time we have an embarrasment of riches in regards to tall backmen
                          Strongly Agree. Tiller forward and Everitt to the wing I think we should at least have as options for them week to week depending on match ups and other ins/outs, if not permanent roles

                          Hes certainly a better option then Lake at full forward
                          At the moment perhaps, but Lake with pace, height and strength being one of the best contested marks in the league is what we are missing, if he could just adjust to playing there. I am not against giving Lake some time forward in dead time ahead of Tiller in an effort to make a forward out of him come finals

                          Earlier in the year when Murphy and Welsh were out and Hahn was poor Tiller should have been moved, now with Callan, Addison, Williams and Murphy knocking on the door, Welsh and Hahn in the goals and Tiller not having been given the chance to cement himself forward he seems destined to compete with Addison, Everitt and Callan for maybe 1 (on the bench with Lake, Morris, Williams, Hargrave, Gilbee and Harbrow starting) or 2 spots each week in defense.

                          I suspect he will be dropped after his game on Goodes but it was not the right matchup IMO, I think Eade is doing the right thing looking for alternate roles for our defenders but took a wrong turn last week. Gilbee further up the field and Lake & Williams forward have not worked so far but it seems obvious what Eade is trying to achieve, Tiller forward and Everitt on the wing may be his next attempts
                          If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                          Formerly gogriff

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: Tiller as a forward?

                            It's days like these where I'm very pleased that none of you yahoos are in control of the football department at WBFC.

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                            • boydogs
                              WOOF Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 5842

                              #15
                              Re: Tiller as a forward?

                              Originally posted by Dantè Hicks
                              It's days like these where I'm very pleased that none of you yahoos are in control of the football department at WBFC.
                              Care to elaborate? I'm always up for a debate but I believe in only criticising when you can offer your own ideas in place
                              If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                              Formerly gogriff

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