Ins and outs v Bombers

[Desipura]

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Hahn was one of our better players, worked hard all night providing a target on a quality opponent in Maxwell and was one of the few forwards who could be seen applying the pressure as Collingwood looked to clear.
I know he kicked 3 goals but I was not that impressed with Hahn who allowed Maxwell to rebound way too easily for my liking. Alot of their goals came from the rebounding of Maxwell & O'Brien. Thats the way I saw it anyway

[Sedat]

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Hahn was one of our better players, worked hard all night providing a target on a quality opponent in Maxwell and was one of the few forwards who could be seen applying the pressure as Collingwood looked to clear.
I know he kicked 3 goals but I was not that impressed with Hahn who allowed Maxwell to rebound way too easily for my liking. Alot of their goals came from the rebounding of Maxwell & O'Brien. Thats the way I saw it anyway

Like a lot of our players on the night, Hahn was terrific in the last qtr but well below par in the first 3. Maxwell, O'Brien, Shaw and even Goldsack were given a far too easy passage out of defence, which ultimately allowed Collingwood to make the most of their forward thrusts as their defence and midfield were not placed under anywhere near enough pressure when they carried the ball out of defensive 50.

No change for this week - we'll need the extra tall defensive coverage again this week with Lloyd and Lucas back in good form. A couple of players on notice, but one poor performance does not need an instant reaction at the selection table.

[Bornadog]

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Players on notice from my perspective would be Hill, Welsh, Eagleton & Ward. (in no particular order)

Agree these guys need to improve, however, was Ward playing a different role on Friday? He seem to be tagging that little sh*t Thomas, for a lot of the game?

[Mantis]

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Agree these guys need to improve, however, was Ward playing a different role on Friday? He seem to be tagging that little sh*t Thomas, for a lot of the game?

It seemed that way, I think they are trying to develop him in different roles and playing off a HBF looks like one such role.

He has dropped away a little over the last couple of weeks after an excellent month, but due to his obvious inexperience I guess that was to be expected.

Hope he can perform well against the side he grew up barracking for this Friday night.

[Mofra]

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Williams has a history of firing after one or two games back. I can't see him being dropped unless injured. Eagleton and Hill are very suspect when the pressure is on and their spots would have to come under notice if we drop one against the lower teams like Essendon, but for the time being I wouldn't make any changes.

Both have been below par for a couple of weeks - the question is do we have anyone who can replace them for a similar role?

Stack looks better now than before his debut, but didn't feature in the best last week. Timmy Callan has been playing well for weeks now but I'm not sure Eade will put him in the midfield, and Harbrow has the small BP spot.

[Mantis]

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Both have been below par for a couple of weeks - the question is do we have anyone who can replace them for a similar role?

Stack looks better now than before his debut, but didn't feature in the best last week. Timmy Callan has been playing well for weeks now but I'm not sure Eade will put him in the midfield, and Harbrow has the small BP spot.

I think he needs help down there and especially against small players who are good overhead.

[Mofra]

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I think he needs help down there and especially against small players who are good overhead.

Stokes did have it all over him overhead as well, maybe a chop out from teammates should be in order? It's a hard one because he's been giving us so much drive on the rebound and has been competing very well at ground level.

I'm not a fan of Addison overhead (at all) and Callan can lose his footing when the ball is on the deck, so all three have trade-offs. I'd still have Harbrow ahead of them.

[Mantis]

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Stokes did have it all over him overhead as well, maybe a chop out from teammates should be in order? It's a hard one because he's been giving us so much drive on the rebound and has been competing very well at ground level.

I'm not a fan of Addison overhead (at all) and Callan can lose his footing when the ball is on the deck, so all three have trade-offs. I'd still have Harbrow ahead of them.

For Harbrow I think it's just a body size issue, he just doesn't have the body strength of more physically mature opponents. I would hope that he isn't made to pick up the 'stronger' smalls over the coming weeks and he is allowed to pick up suitable opponents based on body shape.

I still think Callan could be handy in the finals (as he was last year) and would hope to see him given another chance shortly.

[Sedat]

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I think he needs help down there and especially against small players who are good overhead.

You think? He's not quite at Gilbee's spoiling level yet but I think Harbrow has improved immeasurably since the Geelong game with his spoiling ability, in particiular his timing at the marking contest.

[Mofra]

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You think? He's not quite at Gilbee's spoiling level yet but I think Harbrow has improved immeasurably since the Geelong game with his spoiling ability, in particiular his timing at the marking contest.

He is good if he gets a run up, however if his oppoonent gets some body touch before jumping for the ball he can be caught out of position. As Mantis has mentioned, size is a factor in these cases.

[Bornadog]

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Eade said the Bulldogs were likely to enter the match unchanged after getting through the weekend without any injuries.

I guess end of thread

[soupman]

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He is good if he gets a run up, however if his oppoonent gets some body touch before jumping for the ball he can be caught out of position. As Mantis has mentioned, size is a factor in these cases.

This is pretty much it. He's good when there's no pressure applied on him giving him a clear run at the footy.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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He is good if he gets a run up, however if his oppoonent gets some body touch before jumping for the ball he can be caught out of position. As Mantis has mentioned, size is a factor in these cases.

The club will have to closely monitor his progress in this area, along with working on strategies to either a) help Harbrow overcome it or b) structure a plan to lend support. I suspect sides will be putting more of an emphasis on Harbrow's play in the second half of this season, and especially in the Finals.

Friday Night was a prime example; Davis beat him in the air a few times as you'd expect, but Harbrow killed Dick in the air and at ground level.

It will be interesting when we play Geelong if he'll goto Stokes again.

[Mofra]

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The club will have to closely monitor his progress in this area, along with working on strategies to either a) help Harbrow overcome it or b) structure a plan to lend support. I suspect sides will be putting more of an emphasis on Harbrow's play in the second half of this season, and especially in the Finals.

Friday Night was a prime example; Davis beat him in the air a few times as you'd expect, but Harbrow killed Dick in the air and at ground level.

It will be interesting when we play Geelong if he'll go to Stokes again.

Alot will depend if Geelong play two talls or not - a Geelong forwardline with Hawkins & Mooney leaves Morris, Shaggy, Gilbee & Harbrow as the remaining backman (assuming Lake & Williams are in the side).

If we have the luxury of trying Shaggy first on Stokes by putting Morris on Stevie J, throw Gilbee on Rooke then we'd have Harbrow remining to go to perhaps Varcoe who I don't think is as good in the air as Stokes. Shaggy would get 2nd crack at Stevie J, however if Chapman goes forward Harbrow will be too light for him & that would force a re-shuffle.

Just going through the player list we may end up having Stokes as the only suitable match-up for Harbrow.

I would expect that Harbrow is one who gets alot of attention from Geelong because his run could cut ribbons through their zone; moreso than even Gilbee's or Shaggy's footskills.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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If we have the luxury of trying Shaggy first on Stokes by putting Morris on Stevie J, throw Gilbee on Rooke then we'd have Harbrow remining to go to perhaps Varcoe who I don't think is as good in the air as Stokes. Shaggy would get 2nd crack at Stevie J, however if Chapman goes forward Harbrow will be too light for him & that would force a re-shuffle.

We appear to match-up pretty well against Geelong in the back half. The only worry for mine is Morris on Johnson. The last 3 times, Johnson's been far too agile and is probably the only player in the competition Morris has struggled with.

Perhaps Hargrave should be given first chance?