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  • Missing Dog
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8501

    Josh Hill

    I think often when a player is not playing well than the natural thought is to drop them, make a statement and reward form players. While these are all valid points sometimes we need to think a little more laterally and consider other options before dropping players. No doubt these cases need to be examined on an individual basis and I don't think there should be one set rule, as different players prosper under different circumstances. The question that needs to be asked in this specific situation is, would Josh Hill benefit from being dropped?

    Many people have floated the idea of demotion in order to get some form and build his confidence back up however I wanted to float another possibility and see what peoples thoughts were. I am not saying a positional change should be done or would even be a success but I was interested to know what peoples thoughts were on the idea of a move into the backline?

    There's no doubt at the moment he is struggling for both form & confidence and this can be attributed to a number of reasons but perhaps he would enjoy the freedom of the backline. One of Hill's greatest assets would be his natural reading of the game and last year when he played predominantly on the wing, we would continuously see him floating across and marking opposition kicks. He possesses the ability to play short or taller and has a natural attacking flair which could be used to create run & play. The major question mark would be on his accountability of his opponent and whether his intensity would be high enough to shut down his man and not prove a liability in the backline. This year we seem to have a very settled backline with the likes of Lake, Hargrave & Morris all having consistent seasons and a settled backline would certainly make it easier for a player to slot into.

    Anyway, I've thrown the question up and I would be interested to hear some opinions on what you think, good or bad.
  • Sockeye Salmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6365

    #2
    Re: Josh Hill

    I'd hate to see him getting rag-dolled by some 70kg kid straight out of the TAC Cup.

    Time for Josh to get re-aquainted with Burbank Oval.

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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      #3
      Re: Josh Hill

      Playing Freo is the same as playing seconds so he will not be dropped if you can't get your confidence back against these guys then you have no chance and playing Willi is the only option

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #4
        Re: Josh Hill

        He is completely lacking in confidence at the moment which prevents him from imposing himself on the game.

        He does not represent any threat at all to the opposition whilst he is this mindset.

        This affliction is not likely to be overcome with a change of position but more likely from getting a bag of kicks in the lower competition.

        I believe Hill will become a good player but right now he needs a break.

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        • always right
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 4189

          #5
          Re: Josh Hill

          Put him on the wing and let him run. He can float down forward to take a mark. he just isn't built to play a permanent forward role atm.
          I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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          • Go_Dogs
            Hall of Fame
            • Jan 2007
            • 10152

            #6
            Re: Josh Hill

            Love your posting Swoop.

            It's an interesting idea, and one that certainly has its merits - however Josh's workrate and intensity has been very questionable. I'm also unsure whether he is strong enough to play the role - he would be out-bodied too easily and his ability to stick a tackle and make it count has been disappointing because of this too.

            He's been asked to play a difficult role - especially for a younger player - and it isn't too surprising that he has struggled.

            I can't see him being dropped - especially with Murph and Higgo to miss, so he probably gets another opportunity this week. Most likely given the outs he'll have to play forwards again.

            Big few weeks for Josh to prove he's in our finals 22.
            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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            • Mofra
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 14950

              #7
              Re: Josh Hill

              Originally posted by Griffen#16
              It's an interesting idea, and one that certainly has its merits - however Josh's workrate and intensity has been very questionable.
              More than questionable. I'm worried that complacency has set in about his place in the team. I don't think it's necessarily confidence (the mark vs North shows his confidence levels are still high enough) but the chasing, harrassing of opponents & running hard to guard space on turnopvers just isn't there.

              He will be saved by the other injuries however I'm not happy with his output over the last month.
              Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: Josh Hill

                With West Coast and Freo over the next two weeks I would drop him back to Willi in favor of Stack

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: Josh Hill

                  The next two weeks, with Freo and West Coast, should be a confidence building exercise for the whole
                  TEAM....

                  Win these games with big margins, like 10 goals 60 points.

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                  • AndrewP6
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 8142

                    #10
                    Re: Josh Hill

                    Originally posted by T-BONE
                    The next two weeks, with Freo and West Coast, should be a confidence building exercise for the whole
                    TEAM....

                    Win these games with big margins, like 10 goals 60 points.
                    Sounds like a plan... let's hope our deplorable effort vs WC over there is not in our players minds.
                    [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15447

                      #11
                      Re: Josh Hill

                      Play him on the wing.

                      We are expecting him to take contested marks in our forward line and he is being rag-dolled. He was given a fair old spray from Aker (who I am sure he respects) so let's see what the kid is made of and give him another chance.

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34289

                        #12
                        Re: Josh Hill

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        Play him on the wing.

                        We are expecting him to take contested marks in our forward line and he is being rag-dolled. He was given a fair old spray from Aker (who I am sure he respects) so let's see what the kid is made of and give him another chance.
                        Couldn't agree more. Because his dukes are so good the belief has been to play him forward, and i don't think it has been a success. He is 100% in kicking for goals on the run and his endurance by reports his great. Put him back to the position where he has had great success and had some spark to the centre of the ground and an attacking option too.
                        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                        • DOG GOD
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 6545

                          #13
                          Re: Josh Hill

                          Id play him on the wing and just tell him to RUN RUN RUN!!! He needs to get his hands on the ball. Playing him as a key fwd is silly. When he had his purple patch last year he played more wing /hf. Get back to basics and dont screw with his development.
                          I will never see #16 the same!!

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                          • Studentlib

                            #14
                            Re: Josh Hill

                            I agree! play him on the wing in lieu of Eagleton. Tell him to play as a link up player and Run, chase, tackle, offer an option, deliver, goal, be attacking. He might get fired up playing against W.A. clubs.
                            It was interesting to listen to Stan Alves on Bulldogs last Sunday. He reckons our only chance this year is to go all out attack ala Geelong in the 90s. We can't beat the top teams playing anything other than all out attack and playing to our strengths.
                            If that is the case we can't keep going into games carrying players eg. Hill and Eagleton. So move hill to wing and drop eagle. Hill can probably do more up the ground than he has in the FP and still kick a couple. Try Everitt in forward line over next two weeks.

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                            • Missing-Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 3102

                              #15
                              Re: Josh Hill

                              I don't think he will be dropped now that Welsh, Murphy and Higgins are out.

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