Josh Hill

[LostDoggy]

Re: Josh Hill

I doubt he'd be worth a first rounder.

With the right attitude would easily be in our best 22. Hence he is definately worth a first round pick. Another coach like a Paul Roos could get the best out of this guy and his best is very good.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Josh Hill

I think Eade has flagged that guys without the right intensity will struggle to get a regular game and despite his talents, Hill would need to improve a lot in this area.

I'd rather keep him but not as a depth player. Would need a good offer to let him go.

Thats a shame as the upside of these guys given the right ecouragement is high. I thought Everrit for example picked up his intensity earlier in the year before being injured. But after being looked over week in week out he dropped his head bit. I guess what I am saying is one size does not fit all unfortunately Eade seems to tackle all players the same and does not or will not look at different ways to stimulate players. This is only an outside view of course.

[soupman]

Re: Josh Hill

With the right attitude would easily be in our best 22. Hence he is definately worth a first round pick. Another coach like a Paul Roos could get the best out of this guy and his best is very good.

Sorry, but thats bullshit.

Nobody is going to give up a first round pick because "if his attitude is right he would easily be in our best 22". First round picks are only traded for dead set guns and players on the verge of being dead set guns. Ocassionally towards the end of the first round there may be someone like a Cam Wood, but these are the exceptions.

Hill clearly has a lot of talent and potential, but I think we'll end up with a round 2 selection at best. And i mean this years 30-50 round 2 and not the standard 19-32. Based on his poor form this year, his evident poor attitude and the fact he isn't in our best 22 we can't ask for too much.

[Desipura]

Re: Josh Hill

With the right attitude would easily be in our best 22. Hence he is definately worth a first round pick. Another coach like a Paul Roos could get the best out of this guy and his best is very good.

100%................disagree. Would never ever ever be a 1st round pick.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Josh Hill

If we are talking to WC for a player swap and we know Sprangher, McGinley and Rosa want out, I'd take Rosa for Hill.

Would we give up a first rounder for Rosa? Not in a million years.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Josh Hill

First round picks are only traded for dead set guns and players on the verge of being dead set guns.

Like Lovett? Like Mark Williams? Like Jordy McMahon? Like Brock McLean? Like JADE FREAKING RAWLINGS? CAMPBELL FARKING BROWN?

It's a market. People pay what they have for what they want. It's a matter of whether anyone wants the guy, and if they are willing to part with what the seller is looking for.

Having said all that, Josh isn't going to attract a first rounder in a compromised draft -- can't see a club that is clearly lacking a player of his type being close enough to the flag to want to pay over the odds.

[soupman]

Re: Josh Hill

Like Lovett? Like Mark Williams? Like Jordy McMahon? Like Brock McLean? Like JADE FREAKING RAWLINGS? CAMPBELL FARKING BROWN?

Lovett: Has shown numerous times that he can tear a game apart, even with a poor attitude. St.Kilda believed his attitude was going to improve, and it was a late first rounder at that.

Mark Williams: Essendon gave up 16, Nash and 42 for Williams, 24 and 33. Wasn't exactly Williams for a first rounder. Stupid trade regardless.

Jordan McMahon: Proven best 22 player that was something Richmond decided they needed. Was technically a second round pick, and Terry Wallace paid over the odds for him regardless.

Brock McLean: Pick 11 for him is over the odds. He was however a clear best 22 player for Melbourne, and Carlton saw him as being a key component of their side.

Jade Rawlings: KPP aren't cheap, we know that. Rawlings was going to be a superstar, and the club had to move heaven and earth to get him.

Campbell Brown: This was worked out on salary and B&F finishes, not market value.

Maybe none of the above are, were or were about to be dead set guns, but they were all rated very highly by the clubs they were going to and with the exception of Rawlings none attracted a high pick. Compare Josh Hill to any of the above at that time. Josh Hill is a player with huge question marks over his application, endeavour and ability to be good for longer than a quarter. He hasn't proved any of these wrong for more than a handful of games over 3 seasons, and this season he has fallen out of our best 22, even when we have had numerous injuries and he has offered us pace and an outside player, two areas we are lacking in.

[Mofra]

Re: Josh Hill

Like Lovett? Like Mark Williams? Like Jordy McMahon? Like Brock McLean? Like JADE FREAKING RAWLINGS? CAMPBELL FARKING BROWN?

It's a market. People pay what they have for what they want. It's a matter of whether anyone wants the guy, and if they are willing to part with what the seller is looking for.

Josh Hill isn't in the same ballpark as those guys. All of them were in the best 22 of the club they left, with the only query being on Jordy (who was traded for an early 2nd rounder anyway).

[LostDoggy]

Re: Josh Hill

Josh Hill isn't in the same ballpark as those guys. All of them were in the best 22 of the club they left, with the only query being on Jordy (who was traded for an early 2nd rounder anyway).

Thus the rest of my post.

The notion that clubs only pay what makes sense, or that 1st rounders are only given up for bona-fide guns isn't true, which was the only point I was challenging.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Josh Hill

Compare Josh Hill to any of the above at that time. Josh Hill is a player with huge question marks over his application, endeavour and ability to be good for longer than a quarter. He hasn't proved any of these wrong for more than a handful of games over 3 seasons, and this season he has fallen out of our best 22, even when we have had numerous injuries and he has offered us pace and an outside player, two areas we are lacking in.

Agreed, thus the rest of my post.

[Mofra]

Re: Josh Hill

Thus the rest of my post.

The notion that clubs only pay what makes sense, or that 1st rounders are only given up for bona-fide guns isn't true, which was the only point I was challenging.

I wasn't disagreeing with you.

It's natural that fans tend to overrate their own players though - some slightly like the Bulldogs, some like the perenial "our fringe is worth 10 first round picks" Pies.