Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

**Desipura** · 19-08-2009, 02:48 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by bulldogtragic

Desipura, i picked that up after the initial post and the initial post was questioning why (not in so many words) as you are much, much more sensible than to base things on that. And my HIP rant wasn't aimed at you, although it would be nice to know where you stand?

I could think of a number of other players I would rather target before Ashley if they became available. Therein lies the problem, if you do not get your first choice, you tend to go down the list.
Its difficult to know who will be available. If Tippett was staying at the Crows, could they play Hentschel, Tippett & Taylor Walker in the same forward line?
If not, I would target one of Hentschel or Walker (doubtful they would trade Walker, would look at Griffen as a swap)

Having said Hall would be my first choice, was at last years draft, is this year. If he wants to play, we will get him and we will not lose a quality player as a result.
My list is based on those that may be looking elsewhere next year.

1) Hall
2) Maguire - if he passes a physical and shows no signs of losing his mobility
3) Thorp
4) Henderson
5) Reid
6) Drum - I dont believe Freo know how to develop players, was a top 10 pick who was a leader at under 18 level by some reports
7) Jay Schultz

**bulldogtragic** · 19-08-2009, 03:11 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Desipura

I could think of a number of other players I would rather target before Ashley if they became available. Therein lies the problem, if you do not get your first choice, you tend to go down the list.
Its difficult to know who will be available. If Tippett was staying at the Crows, could they play Hentschel, Tippett & Taylor Walker in the same forward line?
If not, I would target one of Hentschel or Walker (doubtful they would trade Walker, would look at Griffen as a swap)

Having said Hall would be my first choice, was at last years draft, is this year. If he wants to play, we will get him and we will not lose a quality player as a result.
My list is based on those that may be looking elsewhere next year.

1) Hall
2) Maguire - if he passes a physical and shows no signs of losing his mobility
3) Thorp
4) Henderson
5) Reid
6) Drum - I dont believe Freo know how to develop players, was a top 10 pick who was a leader at under 18 level by some reports
7) Jay Schultz

Rumours being rumours, that Drum and Thorpe wouldn't be ideal club fits - but Hall may be a short term solution we could afford - How far down the list would you go??

I like that you've thrown up Ben Reid, and although Rusling can't keep his shoulder's in their joints, if he passed a medical i'd look at him for cheap. I don't mind taking a punt on a kid who couldn't crack it in their current environment, but players like Hansen who have had many, many years in the system and haven't dominated (ala Hall) make me scared of losing out. So i like your list, where do you see their value in this last uncomprimised draft?

**Mofra** · 19-08-2009, 03:11 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Desipura

I could think of a number of other players I would rather target before Ashley if they became available. ...
...1) Hall Yes
2) Maguire - if he passes a physical and shows no signs of losing his mobility Tommy is more durable
3) Thorp No
4) Henderson Heck yes, but he'd cost too much
5) Reid Doesn't work hard enough
6) Drum - I dont believe Freo know how to develop players, was a top 10 pick who was a leader at under 18 level by some reports So was Richard Lounder
7) Jay Schultz Barely good enough to be fringe

Hansen would be 2nd on the list for mine.

**Desipura** · 19-08-2009, 03:19 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Mofra

Hansen would be 2nd on the list for mine.

I would not be disappointed if we got Hansen on the cheap. I believe he would be more valuable with a Hall at full forward.
My list above is based on any one player. I would be disappointed if we only got Hansen.
If we got Hall, Hansen's appeal will have increased

**chef** · 19-08-2009, 04:13 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by bulldogtragic

Street is 204cm.

Street is 211cm tall.

**bulldogtragic** · 19-08-2009, 04:31 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by chef

Street is 211cm tall.

Okay, you got me. I didn't check

**Mofra** · 19-08-2009, 04:47 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Desipura

I would not be disappointed if we got Hansen on the cheap. I believe he would be more valuable with a Hall at full forward.
My list above is based on any one player. I would be disappointed if we only got Hansen.
If we got Hall, Hansen's appeal will have increased

Agree - they are clearly different styles, and I think we've been let down across HF against teams who zone well. Hansen would help us in this situation. Hall would be a much better get-out option than Minson so both could easily fit within our structure.

**mighty_west** · 19-08-2009, 04:47 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Mofra

Hansen would be 2nd on the list for mine.

Ditto.

**Dry Rot** · 19-08-2009, 05:16 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

When did Hansen last string say 5 games together? What's his record been over the last two seasons?

Hall would be great to help say a young Grant but IMO can't be counted on to help us win a flag.

Simple risk management suggests that there is a high probability of him missing games due to suspension, quite possibly when we need him in the finals.

**mighty_west** · 19-08-2009, 05:32 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Dry Rot

When did Hansen last string say 5 games together? What's his record been over the last two seasons?

Hall would be great to help say a young Grant but IMO can't be counted on to help us win a flag.

Simple risk management suggests that there is a high probability of him missing games due to suspension, quite possibly when we need him in the finals.

Whats the shorter term solution then? How often does Murph string 5 games together?

I am pro Hansen, BUT ONLY if his medicals all past the test, IF he can get it right, and we take him via a trade, i have no doubt he would fill a massive hole in our structure.

Was there also a high probability of Aker disrupting our club when he first arrived, was also a risk?

**Dry Rot** · 19-08-2009, 05:38 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by mighty_west

Whats the shorter term solution then? How often does Murph string 5 games together?

I am pro Hansen, BUT ONLY if his medicals all past the test, IF he can get it right, and we take him via a trade, i have no doubt he would fill a massive hole in our structure.

Was there also a high probability of Aker disrupting our club when he first arrived, was also a risk?

At least Aker had a high chance of being on the field.

IIRC, Hansen has had an injury plagued career.

**chef** · 19-08-2009, 05:40 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Dry Rot

At least Aker had a high chance of being on the field.

IIRC, Hansen has had an injury plagued career.

This year he has been pretty much injury free, it's just that Kennedy has been favoured at CHF.

**Scorlibo** · 19-08-2009, 05:49 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Desipura

1) Hall
2) Maguire - if he passes a physical and shows no signs of losing his mobility
3) Thorp
4) Henderson
5) Reid
6) Drum - I dont believe Freo know how to develop players, was a top 10 pick who was a leader at under 18 level by some reports
7) Jay Schultz

Hall is an option. Maguire is lost in the modern game. Thorp doesn't seem to know how to be a proffessional footballer. Henderson was taken in the same draft as Grant, and is still a worse prospect. Reid will never be a contested marking key forward. Drum can't get a game with Fremantle. Shultz could be worth a crack but hasn't proven a hell of a lot at AFL level, his overhead marking is highly sus.

My list would be:

1) Luke McPharlin - will cost a fair bit, I know, but we need someone who has proven themselves capable at the highest level, not another fringe player.

2) Jared Brennan - could cost even more than McPharlin, but would be worth it imo.

3) Ashley Hansen - has proven himself a premiership key forward, has good skills, can take an overhead grab, and has a big frame. Cheap as chips methinks.

4) Barry Hall - one good year might still be left in BigBadBustlingBarry. Although, I would question his commitment to playing AFL now, the idea of boxing seems to have captured his attention.

5) Drew Petrie - would cost a heap, but we've seen first hand what a good key forward he can be.

6) Tom Lonergan - sure, he's no world beater, but he has shown the ability to bring down some ok marks.

7) Nick Gill - this is the one from left field, from what I have seen of Gill, he is an extremely good mark, if we could just teach him to stay in front of the sticks and kick straight, he would be a pearler of a player.

**Happy Days** · 19-08-2009, 05:53 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by mighty_west

Was there also a high probability of Aker disrupting our club when he first arrived, was also a risk?

Hansen doesn't have a Brownlow, multiple AA guernseys and three premiership medalions.

**mighty_west** · 19-08-2009, 05:58 PM

Re: Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

Originally posted by Happy Days

Hansen doesn't have a Brownlow, multiple AA guernseys and three premiership medalions.

No he doesn't, but neither does Hall who i was comparing Aker to, not Hansen.

Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

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