Listen Kids, Just Say 'No'!!!

[mighty_west]

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At least Aker had a high chance of being on the field.

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There was also some doubt with his dodgy hammy's at his age, and missing so much footy, fortunatly it has paid off.

[Happy Days]

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No he doesn't, but neither does Hall who i was comparing Aker to, not Hansen.

Well one and a third out of three ain't bad.

What exactly has Hansen done on a footy field or elsewhere to gain your unmitigated support?

[mighty_west]

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Well one and a third out of three ain't bad.

What exactly has Hansen done on a footy field or elsewhere to gain your unmitigated support?

Well, i see how important a player he was to West Coasts structure around 05/06 especially, in fact there was a stat, not that stats are always a true indication to everything, that was a very high percentage of when he played, the Coasters won, when he didn't, the Coasters would struggle.

He has proven to be a quality player, i don't know why people generally think that he is JUST a lead out forward, he is also good in a contested situation, also above his head, he is also a very good kick for goal, unlike someone similar in Trav Cloke at Collingwood.

What he would do [if fit], and i have stressed that all along, "only if he is passed the full medicals, if not, no way"..but, he would straighten us right up, if we just went for a forward in Barry Hall, whats to say that he isn't fully targeted as our only one tall forward, double teamed etc, and eventually lose his way, he needs a chop out imo, Hall could be moved up the ground at times if needed to ease the pressure, Hansen could also play closer to goal.

I have serious doubts on improving enough with our structure if we JUST gain Barry Hall next season, i am all for having the right structure, to compliment our game style, Hansen is also compared to Rob Murphy, but, how injury free is Murph? If we could have both fit, Murph could be moved aside to a flank, even on a wing, we would just have so much more flexabilty to our structure.

There are a few other names bandied around, alot of players who have either been tried and are simply not good enough, or could be referred to as poo by "some" on this site, or just simply haven't made the grade for whatever reason, with Hansen, he has proved to be a quality player, the only real concern with him is his body.

There has been alot against Hansen, and thats fair enough, everyone is entitled their own opinions, yet many haven't really given a good reason why they do think he is...."poo" with any substance.

Now i have had my say, why don't you think we should get him to our club?

[anfo27]

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7) Nick Gill - this is the one from left field, from what I have seen of Gill, he is an extremely good mark, if we could just teach him to stay in front of the sticks and kick straight, he would be a pearler of a player.

Nick Gill could possibly be the worst kick in the history of the game.

I know we all talk about structure and how important it is but i dont see the point in trading for an ordinary in the hope it is going to solve our problems. If we're going to trade for somebody make a fair dinkum trade & get someone that WILL make a diference. I would of thought winning the ball out of the middle and getting it in quick to one on one contests would work better than picking up imposters. In the end are these imposters better footballers than what we already have.

[Happy Days]

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Well, i see how important a player he was to West Coasts structure around 05/06 especially, in fact there was a stat, not that stats are always a true indication to everything, that was a very high percentage of when he played, the Coasters won, when he didn't, the Coasters would struggle.

He has proven to be a quality player, i don't know why people generally think that he is JUST a lead out forward, he is also good in a contested situation, also above his head, he is also a very good kick for goal, unlike someone similar in Trav Cloke at Collingwood.

What he would do [if fit], and i have stressed that all along, "only if he is passed the full medicals, if not, no way"..but, he would straighten us right up, if we just went for a forward in Barry Hall, whats to say that he isn't fully targeted as our only one tall forward, double teamed etc, and eventually lose his way, he needs a chop out imo, Hall could be moved up the ground at times if needed to ease the pressure, Hansen could also play closer to goal.

I have serious doubts on improving enough with our structure if we JUST gain Barry Hall next season, i am all for having the right structure, to compliment our game style, Hansen is also compared to Rob Murphy, but, how injury free is Murph? If we could have both fit, Murph could be moved aside to a flank, even on a wing, we would just have so much more flexabilty to our structure.

There are a few other names bandied around, alot of players who have either been tried and are simply not good enough, or could be referred to as poo by "some" on this site, or just simply haven't made the grade for whatever reason, with Hansen, he has proved to be a quality player, the only real concern with him is his body.

There has been alot against Hansen, and thats fair enough, everyone is entitled their own opinions, yet many haven't really given a good reason why they do think he is...."poo" with any substance.

Now i have had my say, why don't you think we should get him to our club?

Firstly, I don't think that he has done anything to establish himself as a player of any great quality. In the 05/06 seasons, Lynch was much more crucial to West Coast's set up in terms of a focal point, which is what we're looking for here. He has not doe naything of note in the last couple of seasons either, which leads me to believe that the midfield made him out to be much better than he actually was.

Secondly, he never seems to do anything to have a great impact on a game, and never stands up when he is really needed. I can't recall him ever taking a game by the scruff of the neck and kicking a bag of any description.

Thirdly, his body is a serious worry. You say that Murphy is the same in terms of injuries, probably a true statement, which means could we have two independable players as our two most important inside forward 50?

Finally, I don't think we can get him and Barry, and I view Barry, by weight of achievements, ability and in what each player could do for us, much, much higher than Hansen.

The over-riding reason, however, is that we need a focal point in the big forward that we recruit, and Hansen just isn't capable of this.

[bulldogtragic]

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There was a stat a few years back when Hahn played we won every game. Two years before when Sam Power played, we won 15 of 16 games. And lost when he was injured.

Do I suggest Hahn and Power several years on is a worthwhile answer?

Hell NO. Sam has played 125 games without a brownlow vote, and whilst i really like him, the stat means jack, and Hahn is almost gone. Hansen can't get a game in a pretty average forward line in the 4th worst side and has a history of injuries. His time has sadly passed and with the way he dismissed us last year, he can go forth and multiply.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Aside from that crazy stat Hansen had attached to the WCE era in 05/06 he hasn't got a whole lot of runs on the board. I'm quite surprised there's still a few posters entertaining the thought.

Does anybody remember the days when West Coast were crying out for a key forward? This was when they were a very good side. They were forced to use Gardiner as a FF in one of their Grand Finals because they had nothing. Granted, Lynch gave them some pretty solid service but outside of him, they've always struggled for a key forward. This was publicised a fair bit going back 3-4 years ago.

In that time, Hansen showed nothing more than a few cameos. Considering he had Cox, Cousins, Judd and Kerr to feed him the ball in their dominant era - I wouldn't of thought he was too impressive. He was a "poor mans" Murphy despite the added height. He's riddled with injury and hasn't moved freely for quite a few years now. I would hope we wouldn't touch him.

He's a one year wonder at best. The Eagles are doing OK for KPP's now but where was Hansen prior to this season? He's largely been playing 2's even when he hasn't been injured. If he can't break into a side that has struggled for the last 2 years, what hope's he got getting into our best 22?

He hardly plays like a KPF anyhow. He's always been a second version to Murphy. If he was a quality player as some here are suggesting, his career wouldn't be hanging in the balance.

[Desipura]

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Hall is an option. Maguire is lost in the modern game. Henderson was taken in the same draft as Grant, and is still a worse prospect. Drum can't get a game with Fremantle.

My list would be:

1) Luke McPharlin - will cost a fair bit, I know, but we need someone who has proven themselves capable at the highest level, not another fringe player.

5) Drew Petrie - would cost a heap, but we've seen first hand what a good key forward he can be.
6) Tom Lonergan - sure, he's no world beater, but he has shown the ability to bring down some ok marks.

Do you have proof that Maguire is lost to the modern game? I said he would have to prove he has not lost his mobility. So what if Henderson was picked in the same draft as Grant, what does that matter? You state that Henderson is a worse prospect, why?
On Drum, so what if he cannot get a game? Peter Bell could not initially get a game as well.

My list of players is based on players I think may become available. Your list looks like it is based on who you think we should target, 2 different exmples.
Unless you know something about McPharlin wanting to leave W.A? He initially left Hawthorn to go back home to W.A.
Also I have not heard anything about Petrie wanting out either. Being able to take ok marks should not be the basis for picking up Lonergan. Robertson takes very good marks.

[Scorlibo]

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Do you have proof that Maguire is lost to the modern game? I said he would have to prove he has not lost his mobility. So what if Henderson was picked in the same draft as Grant, what does that matter? You state that Henderson is a worse prospect, why?
On Drum, so what if he cannot get a game? Peter Bell could not initially get a game as well.

My list of players is based on players I think may become available. Your list looks like it is based on who you think we should target, 2 different exmples.
Unless you know something about McPharlin wanting to leave W.A? He initially left Hawthorn to go back home to W.A.
Also I have not heard anything about Petrie wanting out either. Being able to take ok marks should not be the basis for picking up Lonergan. Robertson takes very good marks.

There's more proof of Maguire being lost to the modern game than there is to the contrary. As I said in my post, it's no use going out to solve our key forward woes and coming back with a young player, a fringe player, or a hack.

If we wanted Henderson, we would have taken him instead of Grant 2 years ago, that's what that matters! What has Henderson done to indicate that he will be a better player than Grant? Let alone the accomplished key forward we're looking for?

Drum can't get a game at Fremantle. If it was at Geelong or St Kilda or any decent team I would consider him, but he's competing for a spot with 18 year old first years, and failing.

I understand that our lists are two different things, what's concerning is that they don't overlap an awful lot - and Barry Hall is looking increasingly like our only option.

[Desipura]

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As I said in my post, it's no use going out to solve our key forward woes and coming back with a young player, a fringe player, or a hack.

Lonergan is not young but he is a fringe player and whether he is a hack, well some may say he is.
Gill & Hansen are fringe players so I think your arguments are not too strong based on your criteria above.

[Topdog]

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Whats the shorter term solution then? How often does Murph string 5 games together?

I am pro Hansen, BUT ONLY if his medicals all past the test, IF he can get it right, and we take him via a trade, i have no doubt he would fill a massive hole in our structure.

Was there also a high probability of Aker disrupting our club when he first arrived, was also a risk?

You keep harping on about Murphy but you are a fool if you think his injury history is anywhere near as bad as Hanson.

Since 2004 Hansen has played 76 games compared to Murphys 102. Murphy played 24 games last year and 17 the year before so he obviously has played a fair few 5 game streaks.

Hansen's highest goal tally is 24. He is crap.

[Mofra]

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You keep harping on about Murphy but you are a fool if you think his injury history is anywhere near as bad as Hanson.

Since 2004 Hansen has played 76 games compared to Murphys 102. Murphy played 24 games last year and 17 the year before so he obviously has played a fair few 5 game streaks.

Hansen's highest goal tally is 24. He is crap.

Who cares about his history from 4-5 years ago? Murphy's recent history suggests he is unlikely to finish a season with anywhere near the full compliment of games.

Youy can't tell me Josh Kennedy wouldn't keep alot of forwards out of a side anyway. The kid's a gun.

[Sedat]

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Who cares about his history from 4-5 years ago? Murphy's recent history suggests he is unlikely to finish a season with anywhere near the full compliment of games.

Only started missing some games from soft tissue wear and tear this year, but the point is valid about Bob being bashed around playing the quasi key forward role with his size. But the realilty is that Bob has more talent in his little finger than a plodder like Hansen has in his entire body.

Hansen has arguably achieved only marginally more as a key forward for West Coast than McDougall, whose 2004 season was as just as good as Hansen's 2006 season. Outside of 2006, Hansen has shown very little outside of a few sporadic good games. He really is Poo.

[mighty_west]

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. He really is Poo.

Rocket doesn't seem to think so!

[bulldogtragic]

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Rocket doesn't seem to think so!

Do tell, can't make comments like that and not back it up.

HIP