Ins and Outs - Second Final

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Ins and Outs - Second Final

I thought Hargrave was VERY poor. How about when he completely took his eyes off the ball and got lost.

Shaggy has credits in the bank. He was looking for some aerial support when chapman took that mark. Shaggy doesn't play too many bad games consecutively.

Eagleton for Reid is my tip, but I doubt it will happen.

[LostDoggy]

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I said we should drop Minson earlier in this thread as Brisbane rucks are quite mobile and Minson was fairly non exitant yesterday. At least Everitt may be able to provide us some more run.

But their will be only one change if any this week.

Everitt rucking in his second game against the leagues form ruck?
Collingwood dropped Cam Wood cos he was crap against Everitt.

[Missing-Dog]

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I think we should remain unchanged and persist with our best 22 for 'this season', next season will be a different story.

Our 3 worst today in Griff, Hahn and Gia are match-winners and game-breakers on another day. I dont see how Williams would have helped today. Its very concerning to see consistent servants like Morris so far from his nominated opponent on a few occasions but no one mentions his name and rightly so but I think think the aforementioned 3 should be given benefit of the doubt to control and inspire next week.

The big question mark for me is on Murph, he is so damn important to us but he is only damaging when he has 100% faith in his body, he cant seem to take a trick at the moment and can even be a liablility when he is not right. I dont think resting him next week is the right choice because he takes a game or two to settle but we can beat the lions without him. I just dont think he is right whereas Gia or Griff could turn the corner this week.

If I was the selectors I would play the same team but move Murph to a HBF or into the sweeper role to take the pressure off him and find some form.

Murphy out of the goal square? Push every one else up the ground, strangle the midfield and take Merrett out of the game.

[azabob]

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Everitt rucking in his second game against the leagues form ruck?
Collingwood dropped Cam Wood cos he was crap against Everitt.

I understand that, but when Brennan goes into the ruck who runs with him?

[LostDoggy]

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I understand that, but when Brennan goes into the ruck who runs with him?

We beat Brisbane already at their ground 3 weeks back with Minson and Hudson rucking against Clarke and Brennan.
If defensive changes need to be made its another tall defender.

[Bornadog]

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Why not?

It was obvious that a few of our players didn't produce their best today. Why should they be immune to not finding there way out of the team?

He hasn't dropped players for form reasons the whole season.

[Mantis]

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He hasn't dropped players for form reasons the whole season.

Best we start as our season will soon be over if we don't.

[Bornadog]

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We need structure down back. I would be bringing in Williams if he is ready or Tiller.

I don't like Welsh going down back and playing a loose man. Its too defensive and we don't win games when we are defensive, we win games when we can move the ball quickly into the forward line and kick big scores. We need to kick 15 plus goals. Four to half time is where we lost the game.

Welsh in my opinion has done nothing the whole season.

Gia I thought wasn't as bad as some people think. At least he had 3 goal assists and 4 inside 50's. Mitch Hahn is the baorometer of the doggies, if he plays well the team plays well.

Changes:

In: Williams/Tiller
Out: Welsh

[boydogs]

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But for how long do you keep the faith with players who continually let us down when push comes to shove?

Best we start as our season will soon be over if we don't.

The best game of our 23rd player is not enough, we need our senior players to play to their best. We have to back the senior guys in to have any chance. It's too late in the year to make a statement, or get continuous games into alternative players. Eade chose to give them every chance from the start of the year and maintain a consistent and stable side - these guys have the experience, know the gameplan and have shown before they can perform at a high level.

Would I give them a rocket? Absolutely, they need to know they have let the coach, their team mates and their fans down. Rodney will no doubt let the indivduals know who he is sick of not playing to instructions behind closed doors. Would I drop them? Only if I had completely lost faith in them ever again producing their best to give younger guys finals experience, as I don't think you can win a premiership with a bunch of kids.

Trading and delisting is another matter

[comrade]

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n.

Gia I thought wasn't as bad as some people think. At least he had 3 goal assists and 4 inside 50's. Mitch Hahn is the baorometer of the doggies, if he plays well the team plays well.

I never understand the whole 'Hahn is our barometer' thing. Mitch Hahn only plays well when the team plays well, not the other way IMO.

Cooney and Griffen are true barometers - they have the ability and play in positions that truly influence a game when they're on song.

[boydogs]

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Mitch Hahn only plays well when the team plays well, not the other way IMO.

I agree with you but barometer = indicator of performance not igniter

[G-Mo77]

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You'd probably like to think there would be a change but I think we'll stay with the same 22. Griffen was down, Gia was down but both have had significant time on the sidelines so I think they'll be spared. Reading the Willy reports there really isn't anyone knocking the door down to get back in.

[azabob]

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I never understand the whole 'Hahn is our barometer' thing. Mitch Hahn only plays well when the team plays well, not the other way IMO.

Cooney and Griffen are true barometers - they have the ability and play in positions that truly influence a game when they're on song.

Comrade; Is it time? Time for Bouman to come in and be the 3rd tall defender?

Seriously would Bouman would be a better option than Williams when he's fit?

[anfo27]

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We beat Brisbane already at their ground 3 weeks back with Minson and Hudson rucking against Clarke and Brennan.
If defensive changes need to be made its another tall defender.

We did beat Brisbane but Mitch Clarke destroyed us. I don't think it matters who is in the 22 as this week will be a walk in the park. Rocket won't make any changes, he has proven time & again performance is not the major factor in selecting HIS best 22.

If i was rocket i would drop Hudson for Everitt. This is not on performance but match ups, Everitt showed against Collingwood he can be a valuable player as a follower. Against Brisbane Mitch Clarke is our biggest worry & Hudson is not the answer.

[jazzadogs]

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We did beat Brisbane but Mitch Clarke destroyed us. I don't think it matters who is in the 22 as this week will be a walk in the park. Rocket won't make any changes, he has proven time & again performance is not the major factor in selecting HIS best 22.

If i was rocket i would drop Hudson for Everitt. This is not on performance but match ups, Everitt showed against Collingwood he can be a valuable player as a follower. Against Brisbane Mitch Clarke is our biggest worry & Hudson is not the answer.

Treason.

Everitt for Hill. I agree with an earlier poster who thinks Rocket was referring to Hill with his post-match comments about some players not doing what he asks. I think Hill has the potential to add a lot to our side, but hasn't been doing much lately.