Ins and Outs - Second Final

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Bring in Callan and play Harbrow as a forward

Don't fix what aint broke.

It's not necessarily a personnel issue - our forward pressure against Brisbane and Geelong was great - Ross Lyon has even got Stephen Milne to chase - it's a mindset that everyone must embrace.

[LostDoggy]

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What about Callan as a defensive forward?

[Mantis]

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Back at you, who would fix that?

A half fit Gia won't. He has to be dropped, no ifs, buts, maybes.

On what I saw yesterday I would be happy for Stack to play this week in place of Gia.

[Desipura]

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On what I saw yesterday I would be happy for Stack to play this week in place of Gia.

Hmm big call to bring in Stack.

[Mantis]

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Hmm big call to bring in Stack.

The 'easy' calls have got us into this position.

Too much faith shown which hasn't been backed up by good performances.

[Desipura]

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The 'easy' calls have got us into this position.

Too much faith shown which hasn't been backed up by good performances.

Im with you Mantis in that tough calls need to be made.

[Mantis]

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Im with you Mantis in that tough calls need to be made.

It all comes down to a couple of things:

1. Risk - Will the MC take one?

2. Backlash - How will the 'senior core' react if a Gia or Hahn get the boot?

Take the risk, stand by your convictions and if backlash occurs deal with it appropriately. If our players had performed like they should have on Saturday we wouldn't be in this position.

[Ozza]

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Geez boys can we all calm down a bit here.

We didn't play particularly well on the weekend - and we nearly had a chance to pinch it. Its disappointing - but have some faith that we will respond this weekend with our best 22 players.
Geelong were red hot early and we fought back - probably didn't deserve to win - but had we have executed better - we may have stolen a win.

When did Reid and Everitt and Tiller suddenly become gun players and the answer. Good VFL players at absolute best with a fair way to go and potentially soild players in the future - lets not get carried away.

[Mantis]

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Geez boys can we all calm down a bit here.

We didn't play particularly well on the weekend - and we nearly had a chance to pinch it. Its disappointing - but have some faith that we will respond this weekend with our best 22 players.
Geelong were red hot early and we fought back - probably didn't deserve to win - but had we have executed better - we may have stolen a win.

Only George Michael should talk about faith.

I am getting a little sick & tired of getting to the same point and the players who have had 'faith' stowed upon them continually letting us down.

Time for a few of our boys to step up to the plate.

[Ozza]

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Only George Michael should talk about faith.

I am getting a little sick & tired of getting to the same point and the players who have had 'faith' stowed upon them continually letting us down.

Time for a few of our boys to step up to the plate.

You've completely jumped off us after a 2 goal loss. Of course we'd have preferred a victory - I'm as disappointed as you are - but it is completely different to last years Hawthorn loss. Our boys showed a fair bit of character and stayed in the game - and while we are still there we are a chance.

Wholesale changes are not going to make us a better side and I don't agree that the players you have mentioned were as bad as you've said.

For mine, too many WOOFers have been 'jumping off' any time we have a loss. After the WCE loss we responded with 3 fantastic wins. So I will (and presumably George Michael will) keep the faith for now!

[Mofra]

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When did Reid and Everitt and Tiller suddenly become gun players and the answer. Good VFL players at absolute best with a fair way to go and potentially soild players in the future - lets not get carried away.

Nobody is suggesting they are gun players - I'd suggest that Reid & Tiller are tough types and team-oriented types who would make a difference in terms of tackling & chasing pressure which we sorely lacked vs Geelong. Reid & Ward had 17 tackles between them vs Geelong in Rd 21, that's the sort of pressure that wins games.

I'd prefer a guy harrassing the opposition on turnovers than the guy who is either coming back from injury or simply too slow to actually get to a contest.

[Desipura]

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- I'm as disappointed as you are - but it is completely different to last years Hawthorn loss.
For mine, too many WOOFers have been 'jumping off' any time we have a loss. After the WCE loss we responded with 3 fantastic wins.

Geelong do not have a buddy Franklin & Roughead in their forward line. If we win this week, lets see how we fare against Riewoldt and Kosi.
Second point, our 3 fantastic wins were during the home and away, NOT FINALS.

[Ozza]

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Geelong do not have a buddy Franklin & Roughead in their forward line. If we win this week, lets see how we fare against Riewoldt and Kosi.
Second point, our 3 fantastic wins were during the home and away, NOT FINALS.

I must be wrong. Its obviously time for crisis talks after a 2 goal loss to a quality outfit.

Would everyone feel more comfortable if I said:
"We can not accept this"
"Changes need to be made"
"We should not accept mediocrity"
etc etc etc.

[Mantis]

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You've completely jumped off us after a 2 goal loss. Of course we'd have preferred a victory - I'm as disappointed as you are - but it is completely different to last years Hawthorn loss. Our boys showed a fair bit of character and stayed in the game - and while we are still there we are a chance.

Wholesale changes are not going to make us a better side and I don't agree that the players you have mentioned were as bad as you've said.

For mine, too many WOOFers have been 'jumping off' any time we have a loss. After the WCE loss we responded with 3 fantastic wins. So I will (and presumably George Michael will) keep the faith for now!

Where have I said that?

We have made it extemely hard for ourselves now and after getting over this week I am not sure we have the ability to beat St.Kilda. Look our best can beat the Saints, but I am just not sure we can/ will produce it in a highly pressured environment.

I am not doubting the character of our team, we are a bloody fit side so we were always going to run the game out strongly, but I doubting the ability of our team to take the next step. I hope I am proved wrong.

[jitboy]

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Who helps to fix that?

I think our half forwards and midfield need to work their structure out. Often in the first quarter we would get the ball after a contest on our halfback line and handball handball handball to play on, but when the ball carrier looked up there were no 30m passing options at all. We'd all compressed into the back 50m. If they bombed it long to our fwd 50m line there was a static contest and the Cats had a spare man back.

Obviously there were coaching instructions, but I'm wondering if it was a case of the gameplan failed, or the players got over excited and didn't execute the plan.