I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

I'm not sure I can believe it possible that trading Cross will get us a top 10 pick. He might be worth in it our eyes but I doubt that in the eyes of one of 15 other clubs.

It would all come down to what the recruiters believe the value of the draft is. WC (pick 5), Port (pick 8) and Hawthorn (pick 9) have all said their first rounders are on the table.

For every Joel Selwood there's 10 Sam Power's.

[comrade]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

For every Joel Selwood there's 10 Sam Power's.

Or David Trotter's.

[LostDoggy]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

It would all come down to what the recruiters believe the value of the draft is. WC (pick 5), Port (pick 8) and Hawthorn (pick 9) have all said their first rounders are on the table.

For every Joel Selwood there's 10 Sam Power's.

Do any of those clubs need a Cross type and do they value Cross pick 5 ,8 or 9?

[LostDoggy]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Completely different though, ES.

Aker was on the nose across the industry and had nominated us as his preferred destination. We had Brisbane by the short and curlies.

Cross is in his prime as an AFL footballer, is under contract and is a B&F winner in a prelim year. I think he holds considerable value, particularly to a club that is in dire need of midfield grunt (Port Adelaide for example).

I agree but I still can't find a comparable trade for where a Cross like player has gone for a top 10 pick. Maybe the Nathan Brown one? I still think its rare.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

I agree but I still can't find a comparable trade for where a Cross like player has gone for a top 10 pick. Maybe the Nathan Brown one? I still think its rare.

It's rare because no-one has the goolies to actually get a trade done.

The only time anyone wants to trade is when they know they can rape someone else.

[LostDoggy]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

It's rare because no-one has the goolies to actually get a trade done.

The only time anyone wants to trade is when they know they can rape someone else.

So it won't happen then.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

I agree but I still can't find a comparable trade for where a Cross like player has gone for a top 10 pick. Maybe the Nathan Brown one? I still think its rare.

North want pick 9 from Hawthorn for Gibson. Pelchen, of course, will offer pick 72 and the deal will fall over and Gibson will return to North, but I think pick 9 for Gibson is about right.

He's not as good as Cross and is only 1 year younger.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

North want pick 9 from Hawthorn for Gibson. Pelchen, of course, will offer pick 72 and the deal will fall over and Gibson will return to North, but I think pick 9 for Gibson is about right.

He's not as good as Cross and is only 1 year younger.

My wife is a Hawthorn die hard. I told her just because there is an offer on the table to Gibson and he is out of contract means jack shite, and referred her to ROK. If that knob pulls the same stunt this year the AFLPA should run him out of the business and sanction the club either with legitimate or illegitimate industrial action.

But back to the thread, no way i see us getting a top 10 pick for Crossy.

I'd prefer to hand Hahn out there and see what nibbles (if any) we can get (re: moving on a player to avoid retirements).

[Rocket Science]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Musing over potential returns for someone of Cross' calibre...North's apparently firm on demanding pick #9 from the Hawks for Josh Gibson.

That's patently unrealistic for Gibson...and red, white and blue blinkers aside, Cross is surely worth a helluva lot more.

EDIT: jeez, you've gotta be quick 'round here.

[Topdog]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

If we’re going trade crazy, I’d chuck Hahn’s name up as well for the exact reason you posted.

No one would want him.

Think Cross could get Port's pick at absolute best but being realistic I'd say Cross would go for pick 15.

[LostDoggy]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

North want pick 9 from Hawthorn for Gibson. Pelchen, of course, will offer pick 72 and the deal will fall over and Gibson will return to North, but I think pick 9 for Gibson is about right.

He's not as good as Cross and is only 1 year younger.

I agree cos Gibson can play FB and the Hawks need a FB badly.
I have little understanding of the trade market but not sure what club would offer us a top 10 for Cross.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

No one would want him (Hahn) .

So why will we persist with him if 15 other clubs wouldn't?

[Topdog]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

Musing over potential returns for someone of Cross' calibre...North's apparently firm on demanding pick #9 from the Hawks for Josh Gibson.

That's patently unrealistic for Gibson...

I think it is spot on for someone like Gibson. A tough backman who can punch above his height. Able to hold Buddy.

If Morris left I'd be demanding top 10. You have to remember here North don't want to lose him.

[Mantis]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

If Jordan McMahon was worth pick #19 a few years back, surely we could get a top 5 pick for Crossy.

[Bornadog]

Re: I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

What's wrong with trying to develop your own players and forget about trading altogether.

There has to be a balance of players in groupings as follows:

18 to 21
22 to 25
26 to 30

Looking at our list we need to build up more youth so that we have a balanced list in coming years. As mentioned previousley by SS, we have a number of players approaching 30 in the next few years so we need to ensure that the 22 to 25 year old players are developing to be the future 26 to 30 year olds. On the other end, we need to keep bringing in 18 to 21 years olds and giving them game time. This means in the midfield, the Woods, Reids, Stacks, GOk's, Lynches have to either get game time or turned over.

Our midfield needs the likes of Cross, Boyd as we can't rely on Ward and Reid yet, who are only 19 years old. Cooney and Griffen are filling the middle group (the 22 to 25), but we don't have enough in this group, whether midfield or other.

Maybe a trade for an earlier pick will help our cause, but its a risk to trade a good player for an unknown. A Cross will give you another say 5 years of playing, but a low draft pick may not even give you more than a few games. If the draft pick is for a tall, then you need at least 4 years of development to see whether they are going to be any good, and you may have wasted your time (Wight should be at his peak by now as he is still young)

Personally, I prefer to stay out of the trade period, have all your investment in top recruiting scouts and pick the best young kids at the time.