Good or Bad?

[bulldogtragic]

How do you see it?

Does the shattering loss last night give the players intense motivation which will assist them to propel to a GF next year?

OR

Does it re-confirm self doubt that this club cannot make it past a pre-lim and start to reduce belief and become a significant monkey on our back?


Right now, i'm not sure. I hope it's the former.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Good or Bad?

It's a hard one. I was speaking to my partner about it after the game, she was going on about how teams need to serve an apprenticeship. I think it's very overrated.

I think last night will give us more doubts going into a prelim (if we are going to make one in the short term) than it will give us hope. Just so very disappointed at the moment, so that might mean I am being negative.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Good or Bad?

The experience of 08 seemed to really drive the team this year. They seemed to have more belief in themselves and throughout the season were consistantly talking about the goal of making the GF in 09. I think the disappointment of last year did motivate the team to work harder this year.
Come finals, this year we were a better team (fitter, harder, more belief) with fewer injuries, yet we made it to exactly the same position....

No one can know what affect this year's result (failure?) will have, but hopefully it will make the team stronger and drive them to go further in 2010.

[LostDoggy]

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Very hard to make it this far, even harder when we lose the very winnable. Its a steep mountain to climb and you need a lot to go right to get to a prelim.

Proud of the boys, if things fall into place we we will be there again next year, we have the cattle.

[SonofScray]

Re: Good or Bad?

Of course it is bad. We're still losers, and until we make the luck, until we provide a match winner in a final like that we will always be losers.

Sick of every other ****ing prick having their day in the sun while we continue to fail. There is no solace to be had, our time was then and again we've come up short.

What hurts the most is that we've been done in by the only team you could really hang your hat on and say "we might be born losers, but at least we aren't that bad."

Essendon, the Lions, Carlton will all be hurting from their taste at finals - they'll probably over take us next year and we'll spend the next 5 to 10 ****ing years wallowing, trying to keep the club alive before another false dawn.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Good or Bad?

Of course it is bad. We're still losers, and until we make the luck, until we provide a match winner in a final like that we will always be losers.

Sick of every other ****ing prick having their day in the sun while we continue to fail. There is no solace to be had, our time was then and again we've come up short.

What hurts the most is that we've been done in by the only team you could really hang your hat on and say "we might be born losers, but at least we aren't that bad."

Essendon, the Lions, Carlton will all be hurting from their taste at finals - they'll probably over take us next year and we'll spend the next 5 to 10 ****ing years wallowing, trying to keep the club alive before another false dawn.

mmmmm Nothing like negative thinking - geesh! Think like a loser and you'll always be one.
Move on, stand tall and work harder for 2010. It's called motivation and it's not always an instant result - Belive & Receive will eventually happen I have no doubt.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Good or Bad?

Of course it is bad. We're still losers, and until we make the luck, until we provide a match winner in a final like that we will always be losers.

Sick of every other ****ing prick having their day in the sun while we continue to fail. There is no solace to be had, our time was then and again we've come up short.

What hurts the most is that we've been done in by the only team you could really hang your hat on and say "we might be born losers, but at least we aren't that bad."

Essendon, the Lions, Carlton will all be hurting from their taste at finals - they'll probably over take us next year and we'll spend the next 5 to 10 ****ing years wallowing, trying to keep the club alive before another false dawn.

You're kidding aren't you?

[frank863]

Re: Good or Bad?

I was trying to put myself in the players position and there is no doubt that some of them will take the attitude that ultimate success just isnt going to happen as they could not have worked any harder than they did last night. Eade and his team need to weed those guys out and get some fresh blood in. Eade has a big job over the off-season to make the required changes to the list to get the right players in and out. If he gets the mix right and the right focus in the playing group - we will get another chance to make it next year. If he doesnt make the required list changes (i have no idea what the right ones are) then we may go backwards because of this prelim loss.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Good or Bad?

You're kidding aren't you?

Essendon, the Lions and Carlton arent going to overtake us...

There is plenty of improvement in younger guys like Harbrow, Hill, Reid, Williams, Picken, Minson, Ward, Addison, Higgins, Griff, Cooney....all of them are under 24 I believe....

Mitch, Shaggy, Lake, Morris, Gia, Boyd, Cross, Gilbee and Murphy will all be back next year

If Johno, Hudson and Aker all maintain their 08/09 form I would be happy

Look at all of those names...we have a much larger group of guys that are sub 23/24 then we do who are over....

The guys who are in the 24-30 year old age bracket should all be better and hungrier after 08 and 09

A gut runner to replace Eagleton, and big bad bustling bruising bullish Barry Hall will be a nice addition at CHF/FF

[AndrewP6]

Re: Good or Bad?

Essendon, the Lions and Carlton arent going to overtake us...

There is plenty of improvement in younger guys like Harbrow, Hill, Reid, Williams, Picken, Minson, Ward, Addison, Higgins, Griff, Cooney....all of them are under 24 I believe....

Mitch, Shaggy, Lake, Morris, Gia, Boyd, Cross, Gilbee and Murphy will all be back next year

If Johno, Hudson and Aker all maintain their 08/09 form I would be happy

Look at all of those names...we have a much larger group of guys that are sub 23/24 then we do who are over....

The guys who are in the 24-30 year old age bracket should all be better and hungrier after 08 and 09

A gut runner to replace Eagleton, and big bad bustling bruising bullish Barry Hall will be a nice addition at CHF/FF

Think I misunderstood... your comment about "we might be losers but we're not that bad"...sounded to me like you meant the Saints...

[Jasper]

Re: Good or Bad?

the lions lost 2 prelim before they made the big dance and that was the saints 4 prelim before they made it. We have a good team and we will be playing in finals their for a long time to come.

[SonofScray]

Re: Good or Bad?

Think I misunderstood... your comment about "we might be losers but we're not that bad"...sounded to me like you meant the Saints...

I did. We had them comfortably covered last year. They've been in the same boat as us, and worse for just as long. 1 flag, plenty of wooden spoons, perennial failures. A shit club, with a shit history and a shit culture.

They've had a cracking season and will be playing in a GF with a huge chance to win when it should be us.

We've been leap frogged, and it ****ing hurts. I'm not kidding.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Good or Bad?

I did. We had them comfortably covered last year. They've been in the same boat as us, and worse for just as long. 1 flag, plenty of wooden spoons, perennial failures. A shit club, with a shit history and a shit culture.

They've had a cracking season and will be playing in a GF with a huge chance to win when it should be us.

We've been leap frogged, and it ****ing hurts. I'm not kidding.

Fair enough..not sure I agree completely, but anyway..

They're a bit different to us in that they have two big blokes up forward, and a couple who they can throw down there if need be...and I think we've got deficiencies we haven't yet got answers to. IMO, they should've been in this position a few years ago, they just never lived up to the potential. Now they are. The bastards. God I hope they get flogged next week

[Mofra]

Re: Good or Bad?

the lions lost 2 prelim before they made the big dance and that was the saints 4 prelim before they made it. We have a good team and we will be playing in finals their for a long time to come.

Yep, some questioned whether they missed their window. Just like the Saints in 07, their window was supposedly shutting.

[Bornadog]

Re: Good or Bad?

The players made a video after last years prelim loss and they showed it to the group the other day. In that video the players expressed how disappointed they were to lose and how they felt. Last year they felt they should have won, and no doubt they feel they really let go a huge opportunity last night to make it to the GF. I think they are going to be even more determined now to succeed.