Demonstrative Abuse?

[soupman]

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I don't disagree with the free kick. I'm fine with players telling umpires that the decision was wrong, but from what I can tell the free wasn't paid until Milburn finished by either pointing/giving the bird in/to the goal umpires face. It was a stupid thing to do and showed a lack of respect, especially when Milburn got no where near touching the footy.

I think the biggest issue here is where the free is taken from. The penalty doesn't fit the crime.

If the defender screws up its a free kick right in front of goal for the attacking team. If the forward screws up, its a free kick from the centre cricle for the defending team. Thats not cool.

It should be paid where the football is at the time of the incident. At the time the free was paid the ball was technically in the centre of the ground. Thats where the free should be paid for an indiscretion like that, not the goal square.

[boydogs]

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It should be paid where the football is at the time of the incident. At the time the free was paid the ball was technically in the centre of the ground. Thats where the free should be paid for an indiscretion like that, not the goal square.

The same argument came up with the Lake/Riewoldt free. What is the rule?

[mjp]

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You're right of course ES. I just like to think I'm not one of them.

If you are carrying on to the Saints fans about the result...you are. Sorry.

[LostDoggy]

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Unfortunately umps just want their time in the spotlight. Disgraceful how they have become more part of the game rather being seen and not heard.

[EasternWest]

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If you are carrying on to the Saints fans about the result...you are. Sorry.

But I'm not carrying on to the Saints fans. I'm saying it in the WOOF forum. And I'm certainly not cheering, jeering or being abusive to other teams players or supporters at games. I see where you're coming from, but expressing my views amongst fellow supporters here and being a one eyed boor in the real world are two entirely different things.

[mjp]

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Thought my comments were pretty clear. IF you are carrying on....

If you aren't, why be so defensive.

[LostDoggy]

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I have no idea what was said / done by Milburn to draw the free kick, but as was mentioned, the umpie must have felt that he had no choice.

The last thing we want is for players to start carrying on like pork chops when decisions dont go their way like the soccer players do. They should be taking a leaf out of Rugby Union, where traditionally all players address the the referee as sir and if there is a need to make or clarify a point to the referee, then it is done through the captain.

Im certainly not trying to protect the umpires (will leave that to Gieschen), and fully agree that they have become too involved in the outcomes of too many games, though they do have a bloody tough job on their hands given the speed of the game now. The AFL should also be pushing for more ex-players to get into umpiring, as this automatically will give them more respect and also will allow them to have a better feel for the game.

[EasternWest]

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Thought my comments were pretty clear. IF you are carrying on....

If you aren't, why be so defensive.

Yeah, right.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what we say about the free or other related matters. Gieschen will say it was there and the umpire was right, again.

[Bornadog]

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Yeah, right.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what we say about the free or other related matters. Gieschen will say it was there and the umpire was right, again.

The umpires are only carrying out what the rule says. I think the penalty is too harsh, and the penalty needs to be thought out. The same thing happened to Fletcher against us earlier in the year and we got a free shot at goal.

[LostDoggy]

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The umpires are only carrying out what the rule says. I think the penalty is too harsh, and the penalty needs to be thought out. The same thing happened to Fletcher against us earlier in the year and we got a free shot at goal.

I thought Fletcher was disputing a Hahn mark/free. He was 30m out and Flecther gave away a 50 for disputing.

[LostDoggy]

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This was a typical example of an umpire wishing to unnecessarily impose himself on the game - similar to the previous week with the Lake/Riewoldt incident.

Umpires must understand that this is an emotional game and players will act accordingly. The penalty far outweighs the crime and umpires ought to apply it sparingly and only in the most drastic of circumstances.

Perhaps the umpire might ask himself what St Kilda did to earn the avantage.

[Bornadog]

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I thought Fletcher was disputing a Hahn mark/free. He was 30m out and Flecther gave away a 50 for disputing.

It was for demonstrative abuse, but I think your right it resulted in a 50mtr penalty.

[soupman]

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It was for demonstrative abuse, but I think your right it resulted in a 50mtr penalty.

Which again shows it's a joke how inconsistent the positioning of the free is.

When Fletcher did it, his team were penalised 50m. When Milburn did it, his team were penalised close to 100m. This isn't fair. It should either be a free kick where play is due to resume (ie.where the ball is) or a 50m penalty if the opposing team is already in posession of the footy. Anything more than that and its ridiculous, because it means defenders are given much higher penalties than forwards.

If the umpire had of called it touched, and Riewoldt went off at him in the same manner as Milburn, it would have been a 50m penalty putting Geelong at CHB. So for the same crime, St.Kilda is gifted a goal while Geelong would have been given the kick out from CHB, approx 150m away from goal.

[bulldogtragic]

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I don't think there is any real defence that can be mounted here. It was overkill and he was not reported.

[LostDoggy]

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An idea from left-field: how about, if an umpire is proven to make an absolutely horrible decision, they get rubbed out for a week or two with a fine?

Just like the players.

Also, anyone know what the average ump is on per year?
I reckon we should pay them more, and pamper them less, if that makes sense.
Go back to the 80's where you could abuse them openly, but make it worth their while.