Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

[Dazza]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

I get the feeling he won't be played as the sole focal point so I can't really see him getting anywhere near the coleman. What he does do is bring a hell of alot of options up forward and creates headaches for the oppositions backmen. A 40+ goal year would be a great return.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

I get the feeling he won't be played as the sole focal point so I can't really see him getting anywhere near the coleman. What he does do is bring a hell of alot of options up forward and creates headaches for the oppositions backmen. A 40+ goal year would be a great return.

Agreed . Barry might thrive in this forward line

[Mantis]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

His 15 contested marks in 11 games this year still earnt him the 5th highest average in the league.

He took 8 of those in 2 games which included 5 against Hawthorn who really struggled for key defenders this year.

[The Underdog]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

As a matter of interest, how much have you all seen of Hall over the years, both TV games and live?

I've seen something he did in a game against West Coast over and over and over and over. Plus something from a game against Adelaide.
Only snippets, but I saw them a lot.
Apparently he used to spank Brian Lake quite regularly which probably loses him 5-6 goals a year.

[Topdog]

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As a matter of interest, how much have you all seen of Hall over the years, both TV games and live?

A heap. Sydney being Grand Finalists 2 years in a row were on TV quite a lot and I loved watching them play.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

I've seen something he did in a game against West Coast over and over and over and over. Plus something from a game against Adelaide.
Only snippets, but I saw them a lot.
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That kind of stuff remains my major concern.

[Dry Rot]

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A heap. Sydney being Grand Finalists 2 years in a row were on TV quite a lot and I loved watching them play.

Up here, we have the pleasure of every Swans game live plus I've been to quite a few Swans at the SCG, Manuka and Homebush. I'm just wondering how many here really appreciate his work rate up the ground. On the bigger grounds, he's like a giant O'Keefe.

While many quite rightly focus on what he can add from the goalsquare, he will be pretty handy at times helping get the ball out of defence when we're really bottled up and offer a real target when we aimlessly bomb it into the HF line.

When he's closer to goal, shame we don't have a genuine crumber.

[Dogz-21]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

Up here, we have the pleasure of every Swans game live plus I've been to quite a few Swans at the SCG, Manuka and Homebush. I'm just wondering how many here really appreciate his work rate up the ground. On the bigger grounds, he's like a giant O'Keefe.

While many quite rightly focus on what he can add from the goalsquare, he will be pretty handy at times helping get the ball out of defence when we're really bottled up and offer a real target when we aimlessly bomb it into the HF line.

When he's closer to goal, shame we don't have a genuine crumber.

Malcom Lynch?
In all seriousness 40-50 goals would be a good return from Hall.
It is interesting to see someone saying that in 5 of his games Hall did not take any contested marks. Hall often played primarily as a lead up forward in several matches, but he has shown he is quite capable of taking a contested mark, and I'm sure if Rocket asks him to play the role of a pack marking forward he will do so competently.

[Mantis]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

Up here, we have the pleasure of every Swans game live plus I've been to quite a few Swans at the SCG, Manuka and Homebush. I'm just wondering how many here really appreciate his work rate up the ground. On the bigger grounds, he's like a giant O'Keefe.

We do watch footy down here you know.

While many quite rightly focus on what he can add from the goalsquare, he will be pretty handy at times helping get the ball out of defence when we're really bottled up and offer a real target when we aimlessly bomb it into the HF line.

When he's closer to goal, shame we don't have a genuine crumber.

Yeah Aker really sucks at crumbing off a pack.

[Topdog]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

Yeah Aker really sucks at crumbing off a pack.

I don't think of Aker as a crumbing forward anymore. He gets most of his goals on the lead.

Having said that we haven't had too many opportunities for players to prove they are good at crumbing in the last 5-6 years.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

I don't think of Aker as a crumbing forward anymore. He gets most of his goals on the lead.

Having said that we haven't had too many opportunities for players to prove they are good at crumbing in the last 5-6 years.

It will be interesting to see what crumbing skills we have in the side, as we haven't seen too much of them lately.

[Twodogs]

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Up here, we have the pleasure of every Swans game live plus I've been to quite a few Swans at the SCG, Manuka and Homebush.

I would think that I've seen on average 15-16 Swan games a year over the last 5 years. Before that I was obsessive and saw them all. I would have seen them play live in Melbourne 3 ir 4 times a year as well. I dont think that would be all that different to quite a few who post on this forum.

When he's closer to goal, shame we don't have a genuine crumber.

I can think of three of the top of my head. Higgins is the best front and centre type we have though, and he'll be one of the best in the AFL at it over the next couple of years before moving into the midfield full time. Like Cain says Aka go's alright too.

[ledge]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

We have heaps of crumbers just had no big forward to knock it to them.

I dont really care how many goals Hall kicks its the fact he takes the best backman, allowing poor old Johnno to be able to compete with someone more his size, thus moving the whole opposition backline down one rung.

All our forwards will now compete with a backman one rung down from before, thats what i see.

[Twodogs]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

I don't think of Aker as a crumbing forward anymore. He gets most of his goals on the lead.

There's no-one I'd rather have runningdown a loose ball anywhere in the forward 50. A bouncing ball anywhere near goal and all he needs is to get a hand and a foot and it nearly always goes through.

[1eyedog]

Re: Barry Hall: A definite chance for Coleman

I don't think we have a plethora of crumbing options but I think that Aker has been modeled into a leading forward because of a lack of big targets and/or reliable targets down there. Aker is a fantastic crumber, all creative smalls and mid size players are. I can think of a heap of goals Aker has crumbed over the past 2 seasons. I think he'll thrive next to Hall.

Harbrow is another interesting one. I know he looks comfortable in a BP and he finished top 6 in the Sutton but from what I have seen of him forward he reads the play well, is quick and looks dangerous. His only concern when forward was that he looked a bit premeditated and he rushed things a bit. I believe the stint down back will be a useful apprenticeship for Harbrow in terms of reading the play and becoming comfortable with the pace of the game. I'd like to see him forward as an option, provided we do not suffer greatly with his run and carry down back. For this reason, I believe Harbrow should go forward and Griffen should play off the half back line.

As for Hall I've seen him perhaps half a dozen times at the SCG. He makes the ground look small, he really is a monster and it's going to be weird seeing him up forward for us. He has a good tank too and is very adept at the 1 per centers. I hope he can keep his cool but I think he will enjoy our quick style of play. The bigger grounds suit him better IMO because he is very good at losing his direct opponent through doubling back and dummy leads, however, this ability is somewhat nullified at the SCG because the 2nd defender (usually Mickey O's opponent) is always within spoiling distance. I don't think Mickey O and Hall worked all that well together. Mickey O played as the main marking forward beside Barry too often IMO. Mick was often played out of a FP when he should of been played off a HFF about 50 metres out. That's just my opinion and I'm sure spreadsheets upon spreadsheets of stats would deconstruct the premise that Hall and Mickey O did not work well together, but I always thought Mickey O should be played further up the ground.