Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

[Greystache]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

Thought I might re-visit this thread in regards to Roughead now that we've all had a chance to see a bit more of him.

We'll continue to learn more as the pre-season progresses, but based on what I saw on the weekend, I could certainly see him ending up playing a role in the F50. Much like Tippett he has a thirst for the contested ball, and I thought his goal-kicking action looked very good.

Still a fair way to go, but it looks like we've snared a good player.

I can see what you mean. Watching him play large patches in the forward line in the second half and the last quarter in particular, I thought he looked really exciting. I imagine we'll look to develop him primarily as a ruckman who can go forward, but in the end, we'll probably be dictated by his performances. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go either way.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

but in the end, we'll probably be dictated by his performances. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go either way.

That's a great point.

I guess a lot depends on how other players develop around him too. Will Jones/Grant/Cordy be key forwards? Can Minson/Cordy form our future ruck combination? Either way, hopefully it'll be a good problem to have!

[Mofra]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

Interesting point about team needs.

Minson will be around for some time yet, Jones looks a monty to become a tall forward, Grant can fill a role as a leading marking forward (probably FF/Pocket due to endurance) which means there will be room for a genuine 2nd tall forward.

[stefoid]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

He'll need to put on another 10 kilos to play forward or 25 kilos to play ruck, so he'll start as a forward, and if he excels at that, he may never leave the forward line. he may never weigh enough to play ruck!

[Mantis]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

He'll need to put on another 10 kilos to play forward or 25 kilos to play ruck, so he'll start as a forward, and if he excels at that, he may never leave the forward line. he may never weigh enough to play ruck!

How so?

Since Ayce was drafted he has put on somewhere between 15 and 18kg so is up around 92 to 95 kg now. If he puts in another 10kg over the next couple of years he will have the body to play in the ruck.

If he puts on another 25kg as suggested he will lose his mobility which is one of his great strengths.

[lemmon]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

How so?

Since Ayce was drafted he has put on somewhere between 15 and 18kg so is up around 92 to 95 kg now. If he puts in another 10kg over the next couple of years he will have the body to play in the ruck.

If he puts on another 25kg as suggested he will lose his mobility which is one of his great strengths.

Agree with that, I think one of the big challenges for the strength and conditioning staff is deciding how much weight to put on young Ayce without compromising his agility and mobility.

[GVGjr]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

How so?

Since Ayce was drafted he has put on somewhere between 15 and 18kg so is up around 92 to 95 kg now. If he puts in another 10kg over the next couple of years he will have the body to play in the ruck.

If he puts on another 25kg as suggested he will lose his mobility which is one of his great strengths.

I think his biggest strength is his flexibility and the ability to scoop the ball off the ground. I agree that if puts on too much weight it will inhibit him over the longer term.

I had a good look at him at training the other day and he still needs to add size and particularly strength to his frame and I'm guessing that the tricky part will be to do it in a manner that doesn't impact his agility and pace.

I'm not sure what the right recipe is for him but I'm keen to see how they build him up over the next 2 seasons.

Regarding him playing in the ruck or being better suited there, he isn't very broad across the shoulders and even if he adds the weight well he just doesn't appear to have a true ruckmans type physique. I'm still of the belief that he is a combination forward and ruckman more than having one true position.

[Old Dog]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

I spoke to him just yesterday and he stated that he had put on 17kgs -not a bad effort- but still looks finly built.
I think he may have grown taller as well.

[stefoid]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

How so?

Since Ayce was drafted he has put on somewhere between 15 and 18kg so is up around 92 to 95 kg now. If he puts in another 10kg over the next couple of years he will have the body to play in the ruck.

If he puts on another 25kg as suggested he will lose his mobility which is one of his great strengths.

great if true, but he is listed as 77 on the website, and he isnt exactly looking like a beast from the recent piccies I have seen. Put it this way, he could play forward at AFL level if he gets to the 90 kilos mark, and he could ruck at >100, give or take.

But consider he may never develop a ruck capable body. Dustin fletcher is a good example.

[mighty_west]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

It will be interesting to see how things pan out with all these young talls coming through, for mine, Liam Jones is earmarked to be played more as a CHF, Jarrad Grant as a leading full forward, so where does that leave Cordy?

This day & age, big forwards don't really play in one set position these days, the likes of Barry Hall, Tredrea, Brown don;t just set themselves in one positon, more roam around the forward line, patrol pretty much that whole area, sometimes play deep in a more traditonal FF position, but also plays up the ground as well, even pushing past CHF on occasions.

A few times i have seen Cordy stand at CHF and either Grant or Matt Little deeper in the forward line, yet Liam Jones to me, seems like a more traditional CHF type.

From the first time i saw vision of Cordy, he just reminded me of a Corey McKernan type, just his movement, the way he went about it, so i guess he could play anywhere, probably in many ways a taller version of Everitt, and will obviously need to put on alot more size to even be considered playing in a key position, unless off course he can break off his opponent and use his mobility to advantage, we saw young Westoff in his first season, was as skinny as Cordy is, yet used his mobility extremely well, has tapered off somewhat since then, but showed a few signs in their NAB cup game last week.

Obviously Roughead seems the more traditional ruckman, yet can also push forward and take a good grab, Roughead is also a very good kick for goal which might be tempting to play him forward more often than not, and he can take a good grab above his head.

It's hard to say at this stage if Cordy will be seen more as a ruckman or forward until he does whack on some more size, i think things will be clearer this season playing in the Willy ones, he may play more a ruckman given the fact that Roughead might play quite a few senior games & Skipper has gone.

[stefoid]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

I know what you mean, but actual positions arent as important as 'roles' these days... leadup forward, deep target etc...

Cordy will probably just come under the category of 'hard matcup'. Too tall for small defenders and too agile for big ones, something like a super-sized version of robert murphy. 'high' half forward for mine, with jones playing closer to goal for a longer target.

[chef]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

It's going to be interesting to see where and if Cordy, Grant and Jones fit into the forward line.

[mighty_west]

Re: Cordy - primarily a forward or ruck?

It's going to be interesting to see where and if Cordy, Grant and Jones fit into the forward line.

Roughead as well, Minson is still relatively young as a ruckman.

I believe the ideal set up is for 2 big forwards, Lloyd & Lucas, Brown & Bradshaw, Roughead & Buddy, as well as dropping a resting ruck down forward at times, so it is going to be very interesting, that is if they all make it off course, plus Everitt could also push forward.

Am i seeing something quite rare here asa Doggies supporter, and perhaps maybe having too many tall options in the future, nice problem to have!