Free Agency

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Free Agency

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The Advertiser this morning is already jumping up and down about the Crows and Power being able to grab Cooney and Griffen.
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they are also basically saying that any player, ever drafted from SA would love to come back, (Gibbs, Pavilich, Didal, etc etc etc ) but any player, drafted to SA from interstate would love the culture and the facilities here and would not want to go back...


sells newspapers I guess.


Even a Crows fanatic colleague was laughing at the one sided nature of the reporting.

[The Underdog]

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As much as I'd hope that this is well policed and equal for all teams, the cold hard reality (and this may be the only time I agree with Jeff Kennett) is that this will create a division in the competition between the haves and have nots.
We really do have to take our chance in the next year or two because it's only going to get harder for a team with limited resources such as ourselves. Either that or we hope the "Bulldog Hilton" makes us a heap of cash and we can have 15 or 20 paid spokespeople for the business and our "community projects".
As much as I'd like to see an upside to Free Agency, all I see is bad news for us.

[Go_Dogs]

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they are also basically saying that any player, ever drafted from SA would love to come back, (Gibbs, Pavilich, Didal, etc etc etc ) but any player, drafted to SA from interstate would love the culture and the facilities here and would not want to go back...


sells newspapers I guess.


Even a Crows fanatic colleague was laughing at the one sided nature of the reporting.

Haha, yeah I know - they are completely biased and inaccurate, but still...the last thing I like reading in the morning in conjecture that our players will wind up playing for the mortal enemies!

[Missing Dog]

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I like to consider myself an optimistic person but I must admit I question the direction that game will go after this is brought in. The system they use to value players and compensation will be subjective and therefore flawed, I will watch with great interests as it all unfolds.

[Mantis]

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I like to consider myself an optimistic person but I must admit I question the direction that game will go after this is brought in. The system they use to value players and compensation will be subjective and therefore flawed, I will watch with great interests as it all unfolds.

The next 2 to 3 years will see massive change within the AFL as we have:

* 2 new teams entering the competition.
- Compromised drafts
- Ability to recruit (poach) uncontracted players due to salary cap allowances - Will compensation be fair??
- How do the extra teams effect the draw? More games?? The end of NAB Cup??
- Re-vamp of finals system??

* Free agency beginning
- Will the poorer clubs lose their best players??

I guess all we can do is sit back and hope that our club somehow keeps it's playing group together and hopefully propsers.... Personally I am just hoping we can survive.

One would think that if shit hits the fan and traditional clubs start feeling the pinch the AFL are going to come under pressure from the people who keep the game ticking over, the fans..... But I guess in reality their/our opinions mean jack shit.

I might go into the bumper sticker business as there might be a bit of work coming my way with slogans such as:

'Up Your's Demetriou/ Anderson'

[Bornadog]

Re: Free Agency

PLAYERS ELIGIBLE TO MOVE AT END OF 2012 SEASON

(Age at end of September 2012 in brackets)

WESTERN BULLDOGS

Matthew Boyd (30)

Adam Cooney (27)

Daniel Cross (29)

Nathan Eagleton (33)

Daniel Giansiracusa (30)

Lindsay Gilbee (31)

Ryan Griffen (26)

Mitch Hahn (31)

Ryan Hargrave (31)

Brad Johnson (36)

Brian Lake (30)

Will Minson (27)

Robert Murphy (30)


ADELAIDE

Brett Burton (34)

Michael Doughty (33)

Tyson Edwards (36)

Simon Goodwin (35)

Trent Hentschel (29)

Graham Johncock (29)

Chris Knights (26)

Ivan Maric (26)

Andrew McLeod (36)

Jason Porplyzia (27)

Brent Reilly (28)

Ben Rutten (29)

Scott Stevens (30)

Scott Thompson (29)

Nathan Van Berlo (26)

BRISBANE LIONS

Jed Adcock (26)

Simon Black (33)

Jared Brennan (28)

Jonathan Brown (30)

Jamie Charman (30)

Josh Drummond (29)

Ashley McGrath (29)

Daniel Merrett (27)

Luke Power (32)

Michael Rischitelli (26)

Troy Selwood (28)

Justin Sherman (25)

CARLTON

Eddie Betts (25)

Andrew Carrazzo (28)

Brad Fisher (28)

Ryan Houlihan (30)

Setanta O'hAilpin (29)

Jordan Russell (25)

Heath Scotland (32)

Kade Simpson (28)

Bret Thornton (28)

Jarrad Waite (29)

Andrew Walker (26)

Simon Wiggins (30)

COLLINGWOOD

Travis Cloke (25)

Leon Davis (31)

Alan Didak (29)

Josh Fraser (30)

Ben Johnson (31)

Tarkyn Lockyer (32)

Nick Maxwell (29)

Shane O'Bree (33)

Harry O'Brien (25)

Simon Prestigiacomo (34)

Sean Rusling (25)

Heath Shaw (26)

Dane Swan (28)

ESSENDON

Ricky Dyson (27)

Dustin Fletcher (37)

David Hille (31)

Jason Laycock (27)

Nathan Lovett-Murray (29)

Mark McVeigh (31)

Angus Monfries (25)

Henry Slattery (26)

Brent Stanton (26)

Jobe Watson (27)

Andrew Welsh (29)

Jason Winderlich (27)

FREMANTLE

Ryan Crowley (28)

Steven Dodd (29)

Antoni Grover (32)

Paul Hasleby (31)

Roger Hayden (31)

Des Headland (31)

Michael Johnson (27)

Luke McPharlin (30)

David Mundy (27)

Ryan Murphy (27)

Matthew Pavlich (30)

Aaron Sandilands (29)

Byron Schammer (27)

Scott Thornton (30)

GEELONG

Gary Ablett (28)

Jimmy Bartel (28)

Mark Blake (27)

Shannon Byrnes (28)

Paul Chapman (30)

Joel Corey (30)

Corey Enright (31)

Josh Hunt (30)

Steve Johnson (25)

James Kelly (28)

Cameron Ling (31)

Tom Lonergan (28)

Andrew Mackie (28)

Darren Milburn (35)

Cameron Mooney (33)

Brad Ottens (32)

Max Rooke (30)

Matthew Scarlett (33)

David Wojcinski (32)

HAWTHORN

Chance Bateman (31)

Campbell Brown (29)

Lance Franklin (25)

Luke Hodge (28)

Rick Ladson (28)

Jordan Lewis (26)

Sam Mitchell (29)

Thomas Murphy (26)

Michael Osborne (30)

Jarryd Roughead (25)

Brad Sewell (28)

Simon Taylor (30)

Clinton Young (26)

MELBOURNE

Matthew Bate (25)

Daniel Bell (27)

Cameron Bruce (33)

Aaron Davey (29)

Brad Green (31)

Mark Jamar (29)

Paul Johnson (28)

James McDonald (35)

Brad Miller (29)

Brent Moloney (28)

Jared Rivers (27)

Colin Sylvia (26)

NORTH MELBOURNE

Michael Firrito (28)

David Hale (28)

Leigh Harding (31)

Brent Harvey (34)

Corey Jones (31)

Hamish McIntosh (28)

Drew Petrie (29)

Daniel Pratt (29)

Brady Rawlings (31)

Daniel Wells (27)

PORT ADELAIDE

Dean Brogan (33)

Josh Carr (32)

Domenic Cassisi (30)

Troy Chaplin (26)

Chad Cornes (32)

Kane Cornes (29)

Brett Ebert (28)

Danyle Pearce (26)

Michael Pettigrew (27)

Steven Salopek (27)

Jacob Surjan (27)

Warren Tredrea (33)

RICHMOND

Brett Deledio (25)

Nathan Foley (27)

Daniel Jackson (26)

Kelvin Moore (28)

Chris Newman (30)

Troy Simmonds (34)

Richard Tambling (26)

Will Thursfield (26)

Shane Tuck (30)

ST KILDA

Steven Baker (32)

Jason Blake (31)

Raphael Clarke (27)

Nick Dal Santo (28)

Leigh Fisher (30)

Sam Fisher (28)

Brendon Goddard (27)

Jason Gram (28)

James Gwilt (26)

Lenny Hayes (32)

Justin Koschitzke (30)

Andrew McQualter (26)

Stephen Milne (32)

Leigh Montagna (28)

Nick Riewoldt (29)

SYDNEY

Paul Bevan (28)

Craig Bolton (32)

Jude Bolton (32)

Adam Goodes (32)

Tadhg Kennelly (31)

Brett Kirk (35)

Nick Malceski (28)

Jarrad McVeigh (27)

Jarred Moore (26)

Ryan O'Keefe (31)

Lewis Roberts-Thomson (29)

WEST COAST

Sam Butler (26)

Dean Cox (31)

Andrew Embley (31)

Darren Glass (31)

Ashley Hansen (29)

Brett Jones (30)

Daniel Kerr (29)

Mark LeCras (26)

Quinten Lynch (29)

Mark Nicoski (28)

Matt Rosa (26)

Adam Selwood (28)

Beau Waters (26)

[Missing Dog]

Re: Free Agency

The positive from that list is majority of those players eligible from our list aren't the type of people who would leave but it's the new generation of players coming through that worries me. As they enter the AFL they will know no different and ultimately what has been known as a game of loyalty will begin to see clubs a lot more pro-active in exchanging players. I would hate to see it become like the NBA where it is hard to track players rosters from one season to another.

My other fear is how much a gap the strong clubs will create between the weaker ones. Despite the salary cap there is already a gulf between richer and poorer clubs in off-field spending and recent sutdies have shown a correlation between those who spend more ultimately equalling on-field success. From a players perspective they will want to go where the best resources are which is where the money is meanwhile the poorer clubs become even less desirable.

By their own admission the AFL have not policied contracts outside of the salary cap and therefore the cap becomes virtually irrelevant. If a company linked to a club chooses to pay any given player for services who are the AFL to say if they can or can't do that. Ultimately the player is worth whatever the employer is prepared to pay for their services and as long as they are doing something in return i.e attend 1 guest speaking function a year than the AFL have no right to say whether it is acceptable or not.

I guess some people fear change and we are entering unknown waters with the possible ramifications not fully known, I would imagine player managers would be rubbing their hands together at the moment. Essentially the free agency means any player that has been with a club 8 seasons and coming out of contract is set for a pay rise if they're any good. The player could very well have no intention of leaving the club but could use other offers to force clubs hands in offering larger contracts. Even if the player doesn't leave the club this could still create disharmony within the group and as has been mentioned in the media we will see 6-7 star players making up 50% of the salary cap while the fringe players live off the rest.

That's my rant over, I feel a little better now.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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AND - as far as the 'outside salary cap' payments go - the AFL is really going to need to stop turning a blind eye to this and limit the amounts and ways in which monetary and other remuneration can be paid to players outside of the salary cap. There is no doubt they are at least aware of this issue - but seemingly choose to turn a blind eye to it. It will need to be addressed, and urgently, otherwise the competition will suffer, and supporters will leave the game.

What can the AFL do about it?

We know how pissed Adelaide supporters were with missing Bryce Gibbs as a Father/son selection. What if SAFM (do they still exist?) decide it would be a really good marketing ploy to offer Bryce Gibbs a job offering football comment for $2M, but only if he plays for the Crows.

What if we have a whip around on WOOF and raise enough to offer Kurt Tippett $1M to come to the Dogs? What could the AFL do?

[Doc26]

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What can the AFL do about it?

What if we have a whip around on WOOF and raise enough to offer Kurt Tippett $1M to come to the Dogs? What could the AFL do?

And to get around any scrutiny simply bequest it to his parents who then pass it onto their son at a later unscrutinised point in time. 3rd party payments simply cannot be adequately scrutinised where there is a will. Tell 'em their dreamin.

[The Coon Dog]

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And to get around any scrutiny simply bequest it to his parents who then pass it onto their son at a later unscrutinised point in time. 3rd party payments simply cannot be adequately scrutinised where there is a will. Tell 'em their dreamin.

AFL stars' secret perks as extra payments revealed

Michael Warner - Herald Sun - 25 February


THE AFL last night conceded 114 players were paid more than $2 million outside the league salary cap by club associates last season - and insisted it was all legal.

Chris Judd and Gary Ablett were already known to be pocketing substantial third-party sums, but after inquiries from the Herald Sun, the AFL admitted another 112 had been beneficiaries of extra payments involving club officials and sponsors.

The secret deals - classified as "employment and independent agreements" - ranged from less than $10,000 to more than $200,000, and fell outside AFL-approved marketing allowances, known as Additional Services Agreements.

Article in full...

[Go_Dogs]

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So, the AFL admit that players get extra payments. All 114 of them mind you. They investigate the payments, but they don't do anything other than condone it. Only some clubs are involved?? Let me guess.......

More than $2 million outside league salary? Isn't Judd on $1M? It would be more like, over $10M I'd say. The AFL's standpoint on this issue alone, is enough to see the competition fail once FA comes in.

We need to lure Bill Gates and a Saudi Prince in as supporters, and a creative accountant, so we can cheat too. Cheating is obviously the only way to be on level playing terms, let alone get ahead.

[Doc26]

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So, the AFL admit that players get extra payments. All 114 of them mind you. They investigate the payments, but they don't do anything other than condone it. Only some clubs are involved?? Let me guess.......

More than $2 million outside league salary? Isn't Judd on $1M? It would be more like, over $10M I'd say. The AFL's standpoint on this issue alone, is enough to see the competition fail once FA comes in.

We need to lure Bill Gates and a Saudi Prince in as supporters, and a creative accountant, so we can cheat too. Cheating is obviously the only way to be on level playing terms, let alone get ahead.

It is possible we may already be one of them to have achieved what we did with our salary cap issues of last year although nowhere near the $1m dollar arrangements. Hopefully Mission have deep pockets. Keep eating those Burritos.

[Missing Dog]

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I think I have worked it out.

Brown paper bag payments are illegal, but be open about these payments and we'll give them the tick of approval.

[Go_Dogs]

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I think I have worked it out.

Brown paper bag payments are illegal, but be open about these payments and well give them the tick of approval.

Now we just need to find someone with deep pockets and a spot on their payroll.

[LostDoggy]

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I think I have worked it out.

Brown paper bag payments are illegal, but be open about these payments and we'll give them the tick of approval.

KB, the AFL's donkey mouthpiece, said as much on SEN this morning.

Some absolute rubbish logic spouting from his mouth -- 'players are entitled to a second job, it's nearly impossible to value how much a "publicity" position is worth' blah blah blah. It's essentially a free pass to anything bloody goes.

What a pisswit -- apart from the fact that 'publicity' positions are valued ALL THE TIME (just pick up any Fortune 500 richest people list from the last 20 years, or look up the basic 'net worth' accounting of famous people) and there are companies that exist PURELY to value goodwill (ie. brand/image equity), we can STILL safely block any potential conflict of interest or rorting of the system by simply banning ANY third-party deals, be it publicity for VISY or otherwise (**** off Dick Pratt, dead or not) that can be shown to have originated directly or indirectly from the club. Penalties can also be applied retrospectively, so if any evidence of wrongdoing surface five, ten, fifteen years after the fact, the club can still face heavy sanctions and fines.

This is not that hard to police -- the ACCC do it all the time, and boards of all companies have to comply with this as well as part of BASIC corporate governance. KB's just talking out of his arse (as usual) and I still have no idea why the AFL basically gets a forum every morning to give us their propaganda shit.

**** OFF KB, YOU'RE AN IGNORANT ASS.