Harbrow to the GC?.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Get used to it guys, this is going to be an annual thing.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Is there a more clever way to play this?

And get an edge on other clubs in the same position?

Don't get me wrong, I'll be spewing if any of the nominated players go to the GC. But instead of abusing the players (as fans) or damning them and standing them down by the club or coach (eg Roos at the Swans), there may be a better way:

1. Recognise the reality of the unequal bargaining advantage of GC.

2. Recognise that this will result in good or gun players leaving us.

3. But rather than damning them, embrace them.

4. Yes, we understand why you are leaving (dollars we can't match) and good luck to you.

5. All we ask is that you leave recognising the role the club has played in your career.

6. And therefore that you leave with our blessing, but in return for a draft pick this year which GC has.

Eg if Cooney leaves for huge dollars which we can't match, then press him to go in return for say pick #3 or 5 this year, not the BS compo picks the AFl is offering later.

Thoughts?

[mjp]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

The only way to go DR.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

The only way to go DR.

Thanks. Simple business sense really.

And given past relationships with Clayton, maybe we could pull this off.

I like and admire Paul Roos as a coach, but this will need a real paradigm shift throughout the club, from the coach down to each fan.

If we achieve this, we will actually have a serious competitive advantage against other teams operating in the previous paradigm and without the relationship with Clayton.

I sincerely hope Eade reads these last few posts.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

I find that most people who make that kind of comment are being very naive. What if Gold Coast are offering him more than double? Say we offer him about 300k and he can get 600k, that's an enormous difference. A footy career is very limited and who knows what can happen to him. A couple of knees and a promising career can easily become a short one. With that immediate big money he can set himself up, not worry about home loans and the like and he can also help his family out.

It's funny that we live in a society that rates salary so highly when selecting an occupation but are also so quick to hammer sportsmen who move for money (that isn't directed at you Andrew).

Primarily, footy is our passion but it's their career.

Possibly my opinion is coloured by my occupation (teacher, as you are, IIRC!)which, is the only one I've had....working in the state system, the idea of moving jobs for money isn't really an option - I can move to any other state school, and I'll still get the same money. And my choice of occupation certainly hasn't been governed by my pay packet
I guess other industries are different. The point about setting themselves up is a fair one, but even if they're on 300K a year, should money really be a major concern? They're hardly living pay-to-pay, and for most ordinary folk, 300K is huge money. With proper investments etc, they should be able to make that go a fair way. Yes, it's a short life for a pro athlete, but used wisely, they ought to be able to make a go of it. Injuries could happen which curtail their career, but just the whole notion of "They've got more money so that's where I'm going" just doesn't sit well with me.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Thanks. Simple business sense really.

And given past relationships with Clayton, maybe we could pull this off.

I like and admire Paul Roos as a coach, but this will need a real paradigm shift throughout the club, from the coach down to each fan.

If we achieve this, we will actually have a serious competitive advantage against other teams operating in the previous paradigm and without the relationship with Clayton.

I sincerely hope Eade reads these last few posts.

It is exactly a pradigm shift. The whole move from transfer fees to draft and salary cap was a paradigm shift from all out capitalism to communism. This is now a shift back towards a more capitalist football system. Personally I expect transfer fees to come back into the football market. To me its the only way to adequately compensate clubs for the loss of players they have developed. It will also assist in a redistribution of wealth from richer clubs to poorer clubs through the transfer of valuable commodities. The problem with transfer fees is when clubs over extend commitment on the basis of transfer fees (ie Portsmouth in the Premier League). Smart clubs who draft well can do well ot of a transfer fee system.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Possibly my opinion is coloured by my occupation (teacher, as you are, IIRC!)which, is the only one I've had....working in the state system, the idea of moving jobs for money isn't really an option - I can move to any other state school, and I'll still get the same money. And my choice of occupation certainly hasn't been governed by my pay packet
I guess other industries are different. The point about setting themselves up is a fair one, but even if they're on 300K a year, should money really be a major concern? They're hardly living pay-to-pay, and for most ordinary folk, 300K is huge money. With proper investments etc, they should be able to make that go a fair way. Yes, it's a short life for a pro athlete, but used wisely, they ought to be able to make a go of it. Injuries could happen which curtail their career, but just the whole notion of "They've got more money so that's where I'm going" just doesn't sit well with me.

Lets say you are very good teacher in the state system who begins to make a name for yourself.

And, for now, you believe in the state system but you are offered a private school position which not only offers a really significant increase in salary now, but a lucrative potential career path.

What would you do?

[AndrewP6]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Lets say you are very good teacher in the state system who begins to make a name for yourself.

And, for now, you believe in the state system but you are offered a private school position which not only offers a really significant increase in salary now, but a lucrative potential career path.

What would you do?

Hand on heart, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, I'd knock it back. No amount of financial incentive, or the prospect of career advancement would entice me to abandon my beliefs and values in regard to education. One of which is that parents shouldn't have to pay 12K a year (for starters!) for the "privilege" of a private education. I'd say no, in a second.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Hand on heart, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, I'd knock it back. No amount of financial incentive, or the prospect of career advancement would entice me to abandon my beliefs and values in regard to education. One of which is that parents shouldn't have to pay 12K a year for the "privilege" of a private education. I'd say no, in a second.

Fair enough. Perhaps my analogy wasn't too flash comparing the Dogs and GC vs public and private schools.

In any event, I'm not qualified to talk - my work is mostly lies and has help kill people. I'm not going to be the first to throw stones against Cooney or Harbrow.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

It is exactly a pradigm shift. The whole move from transfer fees to draft and salary cap was a paradigm shift from all out capitalism to communism. This is now a shift back towards a more capitalist football system. Personally I expect transfer fees to come back into the football market. To me its the only way to adequately compensate clubs for the loss of players they have developed. It will also assist in a redistribution of wealth from richer clubs to poorer clubs through the transfer of valuable commodities. The problem with transfer fees is when clubs over extend commitment on the basis of transfer fees (ie Portsmouth in the Premier League). Smart clubs who draft well can do well ot of a transfer fee system.

You'll never get me to agree with you on this one, Fredi.

History tells us this won't happen.

The poor sell off their good players and become crap. Then sponsors and fans desert them so they sell of their next best player and become crapper, lose more cash, sell another player, become Fitzroy.

[MrMahatma]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Is there a more clever way to play this?

And get an edge on other clubs in the same position?

Don't get me wrong, I'll be spewing if any of the nominated players go to the GC. But instead of abusing the players (as fans) or damning them and standing them down by the club or coach (eg Roos at the Swans), there may be a better way:

1. Recognise the reality of the unequal bargaining advantage of GC.

2. Recognise that this will result in good or gun players leaving us.

3. But rather than damning them, embrace them.

4. Yes, we understand why you are leaving (dollars we can't match) and good luck to you.

5. All we ask is that you leave recognising the role the club has played in your career.

6. And therefore that you leave with our blessing, but in return for a draft pick this year which GC has.

Eg if Cooney leaves for huge dollars which we can't match, then press him to go in return for say pick #3 or 5 this year, not the BS compo picks the AFl is offering later.

Thoughts?

Only problem I have with this is - GC took a load of the best 17 yr old talent last year - we could assume some of those would now be considered top picks this year - and WS are taking out the 17 year olds this year - possibly a couple of those would've been top picks this year.

I guess it'd be possible to work out for those who follow the TAC etc closely, but pick 3-5 this year may not be a 'real' pick 3-5... possibly pick 7-10?

Of course, it all depends on what the compensatory pick would be. But a previous No 1 pick, Brownlow medalist - you'd hope it would be in the 3-5 range at least....

[Dry Rot]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Only problem I have with this is - GC took a load of the best 17 yr old talent last year - we could assume some of those would now be considered top picks this year - and WS are taking out the 17 year olds this year - possibly a couple of those would've been top picks this year.

I guess it'd be possible to work out for those who follow the TAC etc closely, but pick 3-5 this year may not be a 'real' pick 3-5... possibly pick 7-10?

Of course, it all depends on what the compensatory pick would be. But a previous No 1 pick, Brownlow medalist - you'd hope it would be in the 3-5 range at least....

Maybe, but you are thinking in the old paradigm and under the old rules.

Surely say negotiated picks 3 and 5 in 2010 for Cooney and Griffen now are better than the future compensatory picks of anywhere from 10 -30?

[Mantis]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

And therefore that you leave with our blessing, but in return for a draft pick this year which GC has.

Eg if Cooney leaves for huge dollars which we can't match, then press him to go in return for say pick #3 or 5 this year, not the BS compo picks the AFl is offering later.

Thoughts?

The GC are able to sign at least 1 player from every club over a 2 year period where this 'bullshit compensation' rule kicks in.

I am not sure what power we will have in determining which players fall inside or outside of this ruling.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

Only problem I have with this is - GC took a load of the best 17 yr old talent last year - we could assume some of those would now be considered top picks this year - and WS are taking out the 17 year olds this year - possibly a couple of those would've been top picks this year.

I guess it'd be possible to work out for those who follow the TAC etc closely, but pick 3-5 this year may not be a 'real' pick 3-5... possibly pick 7-10?

I know the 17 year olds are able to be on-traded, so perhaps we could end up with a pick in the 20 range, and a young bloke like Toy. Given the drafts are going to be so ravaged, as you rightfully point out, getting a kid whose had a year or 2 of development (and was rated as a very high selection) as well as draft pick might soften the blow a little?

I think this is going to be my last post on the GC and FA topics, because it just makes me mad!

[mjp]

Re: Harbrow to the GC?.

I think this is going to be my last post on the GC and FA topics, because it just makes me mad!

But you are allowed to get mad. As long as the people making decisions at the club don't get too angry and emotional.

With Free Agency around, you need your 'old' players (moved to other clubs) telling other prospective FA's about their positive experiences at our club...that way when they put together a list of suitors we are on it.

Facilities are top notch, off-field support seems to be sorted...there is no reason that we wouldn't be an attractive destination. I would say that transparency in payments, removal of things like marketing schemes and direct inclusion in the cap, full salary disclosure etc are important in making this work.