Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

[Hotdog60]

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He didn't debut until he was 25, so I could see Hudson playing into his mid 30's(injuries pending)

So his body hasn't had the battering of AFL football as long as most, still it hard to see a player of his size go to 35 this day and age, but you never know.

If Huddo goes that long does Roughy become Hall's replacement and a back up ruck.

Or is Will going down Skippers path?

[Rocco Jones]

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It was a bit sad seeing Hodge going up for some of the ruck contests(bit like Richmond in round one and not having the ruckman contest when it was in their forward fifty)

Totally. The Hawks have no real choice as the only other ruckman they have is a kid and probably no more physically able to play as an AFL ruck.

If you are going to willingly play with only one specialist ruck then you need to have a part-timer who is actually suited to the role. We probably don't at the moment.

[chef]

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So his body hasn't had the battering of AFL football as long as most, still it hard to see a player of his size go to 35 this day and age, but you never know.

If Huddo goes that long does Roughy become Hall's replacement and a back up ruck.

Or is Will going down Skippers path?

That's where it gets interesting. I would hope that one of(or both if we are lucky)Jones/Grant become Hall's replacement. Roughead could come into the side a play like a young Darcy did, but then can we play all of Hudson, Minson and Roughead in the team at the same time. And then there is Cordy

[LostDoggy]

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I don't like the idea.

What happens if the number 1 gets injured during the match?

People need to remember that Big Will didn't have a very solid preseason so it is going to take him a few games to get going. A full game or two at Williamstown might be good for him to blow out the cobwebs and give Roughead a taste IMO.

Just watched the game again thought Minsons game wasnt as bad as everybody thought.Plenty of time for Roughie,no change for me and leave it be with 2 rucks

[Rocco Jones]

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Just watched the game again thought Minsons game wasnt as bad as everybody thought.Plenty of time for Roughie,no change for me and leave it be with 2 rucks

Once again, not really so much about how Minson is going but the theory of playing two out and out ruckmen. I think both of Minson's games haven't been as bad as lot have made them out to be as well.

[Before I Die]

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So his body hasn't had the battering of AFL football as long as most, still it hard to see a player of his size go to 35 this day and age, but you never know.

If Huddo goes that long does Roughy become Hall's replacement and a back up ruck.

Or is Will going down Skippers path?

If Huddo keeps going, then the best two get selected each week. This could result in Huddo doing a Steven King or Big Will doing a Seaby or Roughead/Cordy considering doing a Warnock. I'd love to keep them all but geez, its a good problem to have.

Look at the quality players who have had to leave Geelong to get a game. Its the kind of selection dilemma that leads to premierships.

[boydogs]

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If you are going to willingly play with only one specialist ruck then you need to have a part-timer who is actually suited to the role. We probably don't at the moment.

Round 22 2009?

[Bornadog]

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Round 22 2009?

That was versus no rucks playing for the opposition

[Mantis]

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Round 22 2009?

Minson did most of the ruck work with Everitt helping out a little.

No surprises that the following week in our QF Minson was as flat as a tack due to a shortened break and after carrying the heavy load in the Collingwood clash.

[Bornadog]

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Minson did most of the ruck work with Everitt helping out a little.

No surprises that the following week in our QF Minson was as flat as a tack due to a shortened break and after carrying the heavy load in the Collingwood clash.

True.


Was it the Saints game he did his toe?

[Bulldog4life]

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Don't agree at all with a part time ruck. Firstly if the number one ruck is injured during the game, then we are in trouble. Secondly, we don't have a part time ruckman and thirdly, I think Minson is building up after having an interrupted pre-season. He is actually rucking well, but maybe needs to rest on the bench, not up forward.

Agree. Furthermore if we reach the GF this year 2 ruckmen would be a priority on the big day.

[Rocco Jones]

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I find the Minson going to the bench rather than playing forward comments very ignorant of the demands of modern day footy. Do people really view carrying a player with 40% TOG per game as a viable option?

I am not a fan of Minson as a forward but he has to play there to basically free up a spot on the bench for runners to rest. You simply cannot play 2 ruckmen who only spend time in the ruck. That's not a statement to support Will be dropped, just a virtual fact in modern day footy.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I find the Minson going to the bench rather than playing forward comments very ignorant of the demands of modern day footy. Do people really view carrying a player with 40% TOG per game as a viable option?

I am not a fan of Minson as a forward but he has to play there to basically free up a spot on the bench for runners to rest. You simply cannot play 2 ruckmen who only spend time in the ruck. That's not a statement to support Will be dropped, just a virtual fact in modern day footy.

Right on the money

[Bornadog]

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I find the Minson going to the bench rather than playing forward comments very ignorant of the demands of modern day footy. Do people really view carrying a player with 40% TOG per game as a viable option?

I am not a fan of Minson as a forward but he has to play there to basically free up a spot on the bench for runners to rest. You simply cannot play 2 ruckmen who only spend time in the ruck. That's not a statement to support Will be dropped, just a virtual fact in modern day footy.

so there goes the part time ruck theory as it's already happening

I should have explained that he should spend more time in the ruck, less in the forward line and rest on the bench to solve YOUR problem of not resting in the forward line. And no, I am not ignorant of the modern game.

[Rocco Jones]

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so there goes the part time ruck theory as it's already happening

In a practical sense, we actually are. That's the point I am making. Is Minson our best option when you consider that one ruck has to spend the majority of his TOG elsewhere?

I should have explained that he should spend more time in the ruck, less in the forward line and rest on the bench to solve YOUR problem of not resting in the forward line. And no, I am not ignorant of the modern game.

What does Hudson do while Minson spends more time in the ruck? Unless Hudson picks up Minson's time up forward you will end up with the same net result with a ruckman taking too much bench time.

We need an average of about 70% TOG from Hudson and Minson. That means about 40% TOG where Hudson and/or Minson spend time outside of the ruck. Anything less than this and we are really damaging our running depth, especially with our top heavy issues.

Overall, I actually think we should play Minson as our 2nd ruck but do not see it as such a clear option as others.