Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

[AndrewP6]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

Goodness, I have been posting TOG so much on this thread that I forgot it isn't the acronym for best on ground. As a fellow teacher I hope you have sympathise with me buckling under the acronym overload.

I have Hudson as BOG and Paul Johnson as Tallest On Ground. Hudson just missed out by a cm apparently.

Sure, I can understand... FWIW (another acronym! oh no!) I'd have The Beard as BOG too...

I hope this week vs the Swans, the MC make some smart decisions, our KPI's are up, Huddo's TOG isn't overloaded, we're cleaner going into F50, the KPP in the F50 is A-OK, the FSI is 100 % and DFA puts his head over the ball.

Above all else, I hope that the WB CEO and COO are both keeping us within the TPP, or Henry Jolson QC will be called, and we'll be USC ASAP!

Is that clear?

[alwaysadog]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

Sure, I can understand... FWIW (another acronym! oh no!) I'd have The Beard as BOG too...

I hope this week vs the Swans, the MC make some smart decisions, our KPI's are up, Huddo's TOG isn't overloaded, we're cleaner going into F50, the KPP in the F50 is A-OK, the FSI is 100 % and DFA puts his head over the ball.

Above all else, I hope that the WB CEO and COO are both keeping us within the TPP, or Henry Jolson QC will be called, and we'll be USC ASAP!

Is that clear?

And some teachers wonder why the general public finds them hard to understand. I take it that the above is the current iteration of that obscure language Educanto.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

And some teachers wonder why the general public finds them hard to understand. I take it that the above is the current iteration of that obscure language Educanto.

Could be, or it could just be crap that I thought of!

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

Bringing this bad boy back due to our team selection for tonight.

I see the 2nd ruck role as rather mutated. It's ironic a role so influenced by the modern game is a bit of a throwback in terms of how speciliast it is.

I am not a fan of players developing in the role. I see it as a role for mature players/journeymen who have struggled elsewhere but have the tools suited to it.

The two main attributes I see are:
1/ (most importantly) being able to offer something up forward, easiest way is being a contest/competitive type forward
2/ being competitivie in the ruck

As I've said a lot of times, when a 2nd ruck is paired up with a pure/gun ruck like Minson they will probably spend about 20% TOG in the ruck, 55-60% up forward and 20-25% on the bench.

There is the option of going back instead of forward but I think this is a bad idea as it break concentration need in defence.

The main raw attributes I see are those based around being competitive. A strong body and an appetitie for the contest. Q is the perfect example at the moment. The guys I suited most suited to the role at the Dogs are Markovic and Redpath. I know Redpath goes against my development phase ethos but he is an exception for two reasons; a mature body and the fact that I hold little hope for him unless he can find a trick.

[boydogs]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

Bringing this bad boy back due to our team selection for tonight.

As I've said a lot of times, when a 2nd ruck is paired up with a pure/gun ruck like Minson they will probably spend about 20% TOG in the ruck, 55-60% up forward and 20-25% on the bench.

So you would support us leaving Cordy out then? Seems silly to pick someone because they are the best person to play a role that lasts for 20% of the game.

There is the option of going back instead of forward but I think this is a bad idea as it break concentration need in defence.

The main raw attributes I see are those based around being competitive. A strong body and an appetitie for the contest. Q is the perfect example at the moment. The guys I suited most suited to the role at the Dogs are Markovic and Redpath. I know Redpath goes against my development phase ethos but he is an exception for two reasons; a mature body and the fact that I hold little hope for him unless he can find a trick.

Liam Jones seems to fit your criteria, why doesn't he get a mention?

[comrade]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

Liam Jones seems to fit your criteria, why doesn't he get a mention?

Jones is a genuine KPF, the only one we have. Playing him in a Q Lynch role would be a waste of resources. It'd be like Buddy or Cloke taking 2nd rucking duties each week.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Using a part timer as our 2nd ruckman

So you would support us leaving Cordy out then? Seems silly to pick someone because they are the best person to play a role that lasts for 20% of the game.

Yep. Cordy is good enough in the ruck but he really struggles up forward.

Liam Jones seems to fit your criteria, why doesn't he get a mention?

As I mentioned, I don't think we should be playing guys who are developing in another role as our 2nd ruck unless they are already/were an actual ruckman like Cordy or Roughy.

I hold a lot of hope in Jones as a key-forward. I would play the 25 year old Bupa version of Jones who hasn't gone anywhere/stagnated in his career as a key-forward as a 2nd ruck.