Ins and outs vs Sydney

[LostDoggy]

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Shaggy has been awful all year, he has been a very important player for a long time, but I feel he needs a spell to get some touch back. He is very careless at times, in the past he made up for it by playing above his height and running off his man providing lots of drive off half back, this has dried up this year. Whilst Wood isn't knocking the door down he has been solid and is the kind of player we could use off half back

[Rocco Jones]

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What do you think Wood is doing well enough to earn a promotion?

Let me take a stab. 'What I haven't seen must be better than what I actually have seen'.

I like Wood but he is very VFLish for me at the moment. I can only really see him off a HBF. In the VFL you can flourish as a HBF/wing type with poor disposal if all other things are going well, in the AFL you become a liability.

[Bornadog]

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I was pleased to see we tried to remedy our top heavy issues last night playing only one specialist ruckman. If we are going to bring back Will, I really hope it's at the expense of Williams.

I thought Williams did really well in the ruck last night.

[chef]

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I thought Williams did really well in the ruck last night.

And down back, which makes him the ideal candidate for a part time(pinch hitting) ruck man IMO.

[Rocco Jones]

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I thought Williams did really well in the ruck last night.

And down back, which makes him the ideal candidate for a part time(pinch hitting) ruck man IMO.

I agree with you guys. I was just saying that if Minson is to come in, it has to be at the expense of Williams.

[MrMahatma]

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I agree with you guys. I was just saying that if Minson is to come in, it has to be at the expense of Williams.

No it doesn't. We played one less ruckman because of the rain. A ruckman will come in next week and will replace one of the small - out of Stack & Hill. I'd prefer Stack played... I'm over Hill.

[Rocco Jones]

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No it doesn't. We played one less ruckman because of the rain. A ruckman will come in next week and will replace one of the small - out of Stack & Hill. I'd prefer Stack played... I'm over Hill.

I have a feeling that the MC will agree with your view. I also have a feeling that we will keep on running out of legs against quality opposition.

[divvydan]

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Sydney is probably the team that we most need Williams in for. Not only are they playing 2 permanent ruckmen (Mumford and Pyke(Seaby inj)) but they also have 3 tall forwards in Bradshaw, White and Goodes, albeit Goodes is a more flexible utility who is currently playing as a tall forward. Williams will be needed to play on one of White/Goodes (likely White).

Do agree in principle that we're still at least one midfielder short, would probably mean two of Grant/Stack/Hill/Everitt/Hahn would need to make way for Minson + midfielder. Problem is that we don't really have any available if Eagleton and Moles are still out injured, Wood possibly but his motor still needs to get much bigger.

[MrMahatma]

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I have a feeling that the MC will agree with your view. I also have a feeling that we will keep on running out of legs against quality opposition.

Agree we could improve our running power - but I think that should be at the expense of others who don't offer it - Hahn? Aker? Hill? Our midfield rotations don't look anywhere near as strong due to the injuries we've got - so hopefully in the next month things will turn around and we'll get Ward/Picken/Reid into the mix.

I think our older guys are struggling and we have to watch that we don't play them all in the same team. We're looking very pedestrian this season.

[Ozza]

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Out: Stack & Hill (Hargrave a bit fortunate that Sydney have a predominantly tall fwd line)
In: Johnson (if fit) Minnow or Roughy to 2nd Ruck.

[azabob]

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Out: Stack & Hill (Hargrave a bit fortunate that Sydney have a predominantly tall fwd line)
In: Johnson (if fit) Minnow or Roughy to 2nd Ruck.

Granted Johnson is in our best team no doubt.

But is it now getting to a stage where he really needs to get game time into his body and legs through the VFL.
Im not sure what has changed for Johnson fitness wise since round 1 and now.
If he'd played 7 games he'd be mtach fit and hardened.

We currently lack run, bringing in underdone players will not help our cause.

[Missing Dog]

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Shaggy has been awful all year, he has been a very important player for a long time, but I feel he needs a spell to get some touch back. He is very careless at times, in the past he made up for it by playing above his height and running off his man providing lots of drive off half back, this has dried up this year. Whilst Wood isn't knocking the door down he has been solid and is the kind of player we could use off half back

And he's given away stupid free kicks this season that have cost us.

[Rocco Jones]

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Agree we could improve our running power - but I think that should be at the expense of others who don't offer it - Hahn? Aker? Hill? Our midfield rotations don't look anywhere near as strong due to the injuries we've got - so hopefully in the next month things will turn around and we'll get Ward/Picken/Reid into the mix.

I think our older guys are struggling and we have to watch that we don't play them all in the same team. We're looking very pedestrian this season.

Some good points there.

I guess I am talking about not playing Williams, Everitt and Minson in the same side when we have some of our runners back. As you mention, we have quite a few smaller players who don't offer much run.

Sydney's game style suits going in with a bigger bodied side due to the amount of stoppages. Where we really need legs is around HF to apply forward pressure of all types towards their legion of HBF's.

As blasphemous as it is, I would drop Stack for Minson. I really think they might expose my boy a little.

On a side note, I am keeping an eye on Pat Rose's form at Willy. Seems like his tank has improved and I think our side could really benefit from a genuine mobile small forward replacing one of our medium less mobile options. I know he is on the rookie list, just a potential option though.

[Rocco Jones]

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Granted Johnson is in our best team no doubt.

But is it now getting to a stage where he really needs to get game time into his body and legs through the VFL.
Im not sure what has changed for Johnson fitness wise since round 1 and now.
If he'd played 7 games he'd be mtach fit and hardened.

We currently lack run, bringing in underdone players will not help our cause.

Hahn and Johnno in the small forward line could be a bit of a worry. I know we all love Johnno and some here view sending him to Willy as tantamount to hearsay but I totally agree with your comments.

[LostDoggy]

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We dont normally make a lot of changes so I think it will be Stack for Minson.

We need to keep the rotations going through the ruck, Hudson cant keep going at this rate and Stack still looks out of his league in the AFL for me. Time and opportunities are on his side for the future. I hope Roccos running concerns arent on the money this week.

Seriously a big game for us, but then every game is at 4 and 3... we were lucky against Melbourne and unlucky against the saints, we really need to take luck out of the picture.