Are we being hypocritical?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

No that's true, but I was more referring to the systematic physical harassment of Riewoldt over the entire game. Is it any different to the systematic physical harassment by North towards Hall?

Yes, because there are f*cking lines. There's physical niggling, which happens every game, and then there's sticking your knee in someone's neck, which at the very least is a free kick.

[mjp]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Um..do we have to go back 13 years or so to find an equivalent incident in which we were involved. I've heard people comparing it to the Romero/Libba type style of play. I think that's stretching it if that's our most recent 'crime'.

As to the OP question, Brian's nudge on Riewoldt did not in my view resemble the action of Thompson in knocking over a player who was tying up a shoeleace!

Who had the broken finger last year that Lake was trying to discreetly 'knock' - I think it was Riewoldt but can't quite remember. Either way, I don't recall any great outcry that we were using unfair tactics or it wasn't in the spirit of the game. Other teams supporters didn't see it the same way.

Knocking over a player who is tying up his boot-lace? It was obviously the straw that broke the camels back because there is no way that action justified the reaction that followed. Really, is it that big a deal? I believe Hall showed admiral restraint for most of the day, but the head-lock was dangerous and I expect he will get weeks for it. The club have come out in support of him, as they should...but I would expect internally they are preparing for tribunal appearances, figuring out the appeal strategy and all that sort of stuff because I suspect they think he will be found guilty.

Our whole reaction about 4 on 1 is an over-reaction as well. The players played the game, kept their mind on the footy and won by 70 points. North focused on the man and lost by 70 points. To be honest, I hope every side we play against takes the same approach and I think the players would be of the same opinion. It is only us as supporters who feel that the North players and coaches and whatever need to be crucified for heinous acts against football and the honor of Barry Hall.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Crossed the line.
No Free Kicks.
St. Nick would've got about 10 frees if he was in Hall's shoes and about 5, 50m penalties

[LostDoggy]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

[QUOTE=mjp;154494
Knocking over a player who is tying up his boot-lace? It was obviously the straw that broke the camels back because there is no way that action justified the reaction that followed. Really, is it that big a deal? "
I didn't get to the game but listened to it on the radio. After seeing the footage of this incident, i agree that it was obviously the last straw for Baz, but IMO, I think knocking over a player who is typing up a bootlace, nowhere near the ball, etc., is a pretty low act, and definitely not in the spirit of our game. Yes, there is always niggling, harrassing stuff, and I reckon Baz takes most of that and keeps his cool. This obviously was the thing that just snapped him, and I think he showed considerable restraint in not turning around and punching Thompson. When I saw the other incidents, i.e., the late bump on Gia that obviously knocked him out cold, I thought it told the story of the day, and as another Woofer has posted, what can you expect from a team led by Brad Scott

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I agree 100% with this statement, but it doesn't answer my question. There seems to be anger levelled at North, but is what they did different to what we did? That's what I'm curious about.

Probably not very different at all, but the outcomes were so hence the anger. Consistency is key.

I agree our discipline was good, but if that is what North want to do, good luck to them. It didn't work, so what is the big deal?

I think you're probably right. It's not really a huge issue, but we need Barry to stay focused on the park, so it's going to be the type of issue that draws a big response from supporters.

[EasternWest]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Probably not very different at all, but the outcomes were so hence the anger. Consistency is key.

I agree with you re consistency. But why is the anger directed at North?

[stefoid]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I agree with the OP, Lake hassling Riewolt was similar to Thompsons tactics. Heavily tagged midfielders cop that sort of thing for the entire game, but I guess they get to run around a bit during general play. I thought a headlock was a pretty good response, though.

The thing which put the whole situation into perspective, however, was that when it was Thompsons turn to stand tough, making front position in subsequent contests, he heard footsteps and coughed up 2 goals to Hall.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

For me the anger directed at Nth were the punches in the ribs which i saw happen 3 times on the replay while hall had his back to them or was running towars the goalsquare very different to looking a guy in the eye IMO

[LostDoggy]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I agree with you re consistency. But why is the anger directed at North?

Why? Because they went the man, and not the ball. Because they played dirty. Because they were outclassed, and outgunned, and went looking for scalps.

Some North supporters brought up the fact that Libba, Dimma, and Romero were similar back in the day - as if that justifies their actions from the weekend. So if I beat someone up today, can I say it's okay because someone else beat up someone a few years back?!!

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I agree with you re consistency. But why is the anger directed at North?

Because of the low levels they went to on Saturday.

Yes, other sides often target players, but they had large numbers of players simply running around trying to instigate a fight, trying to prevent a player for exiting the field. I must admit listening to Brayshaw yesterday on TSFS didn't help North's cause much in my eyes....

[Mofra]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I agree with the OP, Lake hassling Riewolt was similar to Thompsons tactics.

I can't say I agree. Lake takes more marks from opposition kicks than anyone else in the competition, and bar one year with Harley has done so for years. Despite putting psysical pressure on the opponent, you can't do that if a "man first, ball second" mentality and Lake has the balance right.
Thomson losing the flight of the ball a number of times suggests to me that he has niggle and nothing else in his bag of tricks. Poor man's Nathan Carroll.

[stefoid]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I can't say I agree. Lake takes more marks from opposition kicks than anyone else in the competition, and bar one year with Harley has done so for years. Despite putting psysical pressure on the opponent, you can't do that if a "man first, ball second" mentality and Lake has the balance right.
Thomson losing the flight of the ball a number of times suggests to me that he has niggle and nothing else in his bag of tricks. Poor man's Nathan Carroll.

Im not saying anything about the way they play footy -- just that Lake continually elbowing riewolt in the back is a similar tactic to what thompson was doing. Maybe if Hall had dived like Riewolt did, he would have got a free too, who knows?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Poor man's Nathan Carroll.

That's really harsh on Carroll.

As I said to a Norf supporter he can't play so he has to do these kind of things and because of this pimple the horrible backline against rules have been enforced and they will be worse now thanks to this.

[Bornadog]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Im not saying anything about the way they play footy -- just that Lake continually elbowing riewolt in the back is a similar tactic to what thompson was doing. Maybe if Hall had dived like Riewolt did, he would have got a free too, who knows?

They all throw a little elbow in the back, but Thompson is excessive. Last year he was doing it to Fev so much that it was out of control, A few times Fev whacked his arm, but Thompson kept at him, and Fev got angrier and angrier. At one point he grabbed Thompson and kissed him on the cheek, but Thomson kept elbowing and when Fev retaliated, a free was paid to Thompson.

After that game, umpires were going to keep an eye out and try and stop this from happening and have paid a few free kicks for this sort of thing ie paid them to others except Hall.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

It is only us as supporters who feel that the North players and coaches and whatever need to be crucified for heinous acts against football and the honor of Barry Hall.

You can add Rocket to the list too not just the supporters. I've heard him numerous times on the weekend and he definitely doesn't share your views. And he was constrained.