Match Preview - Round 16 Western Bulldogs v Port Adelaide

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Match Preview - Round 16 Western Bulldogs v Port Adelaide

Roughead?

Why not.

Just thought in the greasy conditions it might be better to have one dedicated ruck and Everitt or even Williams to help out.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Preview - Round 16 Western Bulldogs v Port Adelaide

Why not.

Just thought in the greasy conditions it might be better to have one dedicated ruck and Everitt or even Williams to help out.

I agree, although Roughead has done no wrong Everitt will be much better suited and if he doesn't get a go this week I feel he may not get another chance.

[stefoid]

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If hudson or minson go down long term before the finals, which player of Everitt/roughhead do we want to be ready (as possible) to take their spot?

Thats the player we should be playing just now.

[Mofra]

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If hudson or minson go down long term before the finals, which player of Everitt/roughhead do we want to be ready (as possible) to take their spot?

Roughead easily. Bigger, stronger, can take a mark when pushed forward and has a defined role in the team.
Everitt sure has gotten a huge amount of mileage over one game against Collingwood in 2009.

[Go_Dogs]

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Everitt sure has gotten a huge amount of mileage over one game against Collingwood in 2009.

He has, but with reason.

He put in a good performance that day, and demonstrated that if matched against another 'part timer' he can do the job. His ruck work is obviously not going to be a feature like Roughead but Everitt can bring added running power and is another with good ball use.

Given that he doesn't have a clearly defined role, at times I think it can just be a good opportunity for him to get a run and gather some ball at senior level - as well as perhaps demonstrate some qualities that could see him become a permanent fixture in another spot.


Roughead is also a good option for us, and another who I see the benefits of senior opportunity, and also mixing his time between ruck and forward line duties.

It's a thin line to tread, because at this stage we probably don't want to play both along with Grant and Williams as it just means we have a lot of inexperienced, young talls on the park at one time.


Good discussion - I've managed to talk myself around in a circle.

[Mofra]

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He has, but with reason.

He put in a good performance that day, and demonstrated that if matched against another 'part timer' he can do the job. His ruck work is obviously not going to be a feature like Roughead but Everitt can bring added running power and is another with good ball use.

Georgiadis only played a couple of games after his 8-goal haul too

I'm not convinced Everitt would have been selected for the role if a fit, 19 year old Roughead was available last year anyway.

Given that he doesn't have a clearly defined role, at times I think it can just be a good opportunity for him to get a run and gather some ball at senior level - as well as perhaps demonstrate some qualities that could see him become a permanent fixture in another spot.

If it's not going to be his long term postion I'm not sure if it helps his development as much as it hurts the development of Roughead.
I'm more a fan of Everitt making a position his own, rather than the coach moulding the team around a fringe player.

Roughead is also a good option for us, and another who I see the benefits of senior opportunity, and also mixing his time between ruck and forward line duties.

It's a thin line to tread, because at this stage we probably don't want to play both along with Grant and Williams as it just means we have a lot of inexperienced, young talls on the park at one time.

Grant is earning his spot on merit regardless of age (arguably our second most important forward now), and Williams has perfromed well enough to hold his spot too this year.

The only issue I see this weekend is whoever we push forward as the resting ruckman, they will cop Carlisle or Chaplin who are both excellent tall defenders and I wouldn't expect either Roughead or Everitt to beat them. Roughead can at least direct the ball to advantage with his bulk though.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Preview - Round 16 Western Bulldogs v Port Adelaide

I like this bit: "Sure ball handling, speed and precision passing will be important. Eagleton is a chance and would be useful up there. How do I know? Mantis told me".

Glad you're getting the game free to air in Adelaide EJ Smith. We were there last weekend & were not happy that the West Coast V Adelaide game was on both Foxtel & free to air, leaving us nowhere to watch the Geelong V Hawthorn game, if we'd wanted to that is.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Preview - Round 16 Western Bulldogs v Port Adelaide

Glad you're getting the game free to air in Adelaide EJ Smith. We were there last weekend & were not happy that the West Coast V Adelaide game was on both Foxtel & free to air, leaving us nowhere to watch the Geelong V Hawthorn game, if we'd wanted to that is.

It has happened a number of times this year - none more ridiculous than Round 1 when we played Collingwood in clearly the biggest game of the year and both channels showed the Port v North Melb game

[Go_Dogs]

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I'm not convinced Everitt would have been selected for the role if a fit, 19 year old Roughead was available last year anyway.

I think that's definitely a fair enough scenario.

As much as we need to manage Hudson, with Minson out now, we are going to have to be mindful of Roughead too as he's going to be required for a few more matches once Will's back.

We know Roughy copped a bit of a knock to his shoulder earlier in the year, and has a bit of a history - so we need to balance the need to get games into him with the need to keep his body right for the long term.

I'm more a fan of Everitt making a position his own, rather than the coach moulding the team around a fringe player.

Of course that's ideal - but not always an easy task. Projecting where his best AFL spot might be from VFL form isn't always a 100% reliable indicator (I think especially with Everitt and utility types - think Brennan and Goddard).

Previously we've brought players into the side before who haven't been tearing the house down at VFL level who have gone alright at AFL level. If he'll make it is still to be determined, but extended opportunity is the only way to know for sure.

Grant is earning his spot on merit regardless of age (arguably our second most important forward now), and Williams has perfromed well enough to hold his spot too this year.

The only issue I see this weekend is whoever we push forward as the resting ruckman, they will cop Carlisle or Chaplin who are both excellent tall defenders and I wouldn't expect either Roughead or Everitt to beat them. Roughead can at least direct the ball to advantage with his bulk though.

Agree on both Grant and Williams, they're earning their spots - but they are still a fair way off being good->great, consistent AFL players. Playing a couple more tall kids in the same boat might hurt our run.

Good point about Port's defence, although I think with Chad out we can stretch them a little. Perhaps an inexperienced Salter or Stewart might get the resting ruck.

I think Roughead can certainly become a good marking option in the forward line, but I still think he needs a bit more upper body strength. He's got the frame to develop it, and long term I think he'll be pretty dangerous down there. He has snared a few good, contested grabs in his games so far, but still tends to go with one hand a bit in contested situations. The goal he kicked on the weekend was a result of drifting forward into a hole in the zone while playing in the ruck - which is something I think he can be useful at.

[Mofra]

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I think Roughead can certainly become a good marking option in the forward line, but I still think he needs a bit more upper body strength. He's got the frame to develop it, and long term I think he'll be pretty dangerous down there. He has snared a few good, contested grabs in his games so far, but still tends to go with one hand a bit in contested situations. The goal he kicked on the weekend was a result of drifting forward into a hole in the zone while playing in the ruck - which is something I think he can be useful at.

His lack of strength (time in the system) is noticeable at throw ins - he can get monstored at times, as you'd expect of a 19 year old who is still developing his core strength.
He times his leap at the ball pretty well so can be a factor in the forward 50, although I don't think Darwin will suit him.

[mjp]

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We were there last weekend & were not happy that the West Coast V Adelaide game was on both Foxtel & free to air, leaving us nowhere to watch the Geelong V Hawthorn game, if we'd wanted to that is.

Welcome to footy on tv outside of Victoria...happens ALL the time.

Whenever a Dogs game is scheduled at the same time as a West Coast or Freo fixture I resign myself to being stuck with a replay.

[The Coon Dog]

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Welcome to footy on tv outside of Victoria...happens ALL the time.

Whenever a Dogs game is scheduled at the same time as a West Coast or Freo fixture I resign myself to being stuck with a replay.

In that situation Mike, do you get score updates or have a media blackout until the replay is on?

[Doc26]

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Everitt sure has gotten a huge amount of mileage over one game against Collingwood in 2009.

But no more mileage than what Tom Williams has been afforded over a game against Hawthorn.

Is not a slight against Tom, to the contrary, but I have found it a bit disappointing we can only make room for one project player.

[Ghost Dog]

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But no more mileage than what Tom Williams has been afforded over a game against Hawthorn.

Is not a slight against Tom, to the contrary, but I have found it a bit disappointing we can only make room for one project player.

Agreed. I was really happy to see Everitt's inclusion. hope he has a blinder.

[Mofra]

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But no more mileage than what Tom Williams has been afforded over a game against Hawthorn.

Is not a slight against Tom, to the contrary, but I have found it a bit disappointing we can only make room for one project player.

There is a major difference - Williams was earmarked as CHB, played CHB that day and has performed well enough in that role this year (kicking efficiency over 80% this year too).
Everitt was played out of position and does not look like a long term no 2 ruckman (TBH I rate his delivery highly and would love to see him delivering the ball inside 50).