Gia v/s Aker

[Scorlibo]

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Dude, good play doesn't win games. Goals do. Forwards who kick goals therefore are very popular for some reason, and ones who don't, sublime skills notwithstanding, aren't.

Case in point: Ask a St Kilda fan immediately after the Granny last year what their thoughts on Milney were.

What is the bigger contributor to any given goal? The one effective kick by the goal-scorer, or the long chain of good play which preceeded it?

When a goal is kicked, although the goal is credited to the goal-scorer, there are many players who had a bigger hand in the scoring of the 6 points.

Stephen Milne's role within the team is as a goal-scorer, so of course if he doesn't kick goals in a game, it is likely that he hasn't performed very well. If Adam Cooney doesn't kick a goal in any given game, then is it likely that he has performed as badly as, or worse than, Milne? Of course not. Similarly, Gia should not be judged by the amount of goals he kicks just because he falls under the same title ('small-forward') as Milne. Surely you understand this?

[Ghost Dog]

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Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one...I think Hall has been our best forward this year by a mile. Even when his goalkicking output has been down, his tackling and defensive efforts have been there. I wouldn't have said he had that many very quiet games - a few, sure, but who hasn't? His ability to create a contest is, IMO unmatched this year, and if I had to choose one to give the ball to in the F50, he'd be the one. Not to discredit Gia's work, I'm a fan of his, but to me, Bazza's the one.

Agreed.

Frankly, Aker has better natural ability than Gia, but the dye in his goatee is starting to fade.
Gia presents more options and somebody might actually listen to him when he directs traffic>?as opposed to Jase.

As a member I would not mind playing a slightly less talented -than JAkermanis-t younger future bulldogs kid in a final series. It could set that player alight ( Wood, Everitt etc) set them up for a great career with the dogs, valuable experience.
Anyway, If Aker is there, I'll be behind him.

Andrew, I'm with you. Barry is the former captain - work ethic in the chase and confidence sends the ghosts of whitten oval running for cover - simply inspires huge confidence in this team. Bow to Bazza!

[The Coon Dog]

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Have you got his assists stat too TCD?

No, unfortunately, just went back through the games played this year where I mark my goal kickers (colour coded so I know which quarters they were kicked in).

[Missing-Dog]

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Seriously I have enjoyed Aker's tenure at the club and hope he finds a way back in the 22. But can someone name one big game that he has stood up in for us. I'm not sure where he gets his reputation as a big game player. He has not played well in a final for us apart from a couple of junk time goals against Hawthorn in the Elimination final.

[MrMahatma]

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Your guessing because you are anti Gia.

Not anti Gia, just think Aker is better as a small fwd. As a link player across the centre I think Gia is very good.

[Curly5]

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It was a few weeks ago but he said it on one of those footy shows on during the day. May have been game day on ch. 7 but can't remember 100%. But changed my opinion for his push to be captain.

Bob Murphy said the same sort of thing in his Hall of Fame speech, and also in one of his newspaper articles. I'd say Gia's probably delivering the unanimous verdict of the leadership group.

[The Coon Dog]

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The way this is headed is so reminiscent of his parting at Brisbane.

I bet we even get the 'if Aker isn't selected I'm not renewing my membership' mentality.

[Greystache]

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Seriously I have enjoyed Aker's tenure at the club and hope he finds a way back in the 22. But can someone name one big game that he has stood up in for us. I'm not sure where he gets his reputation as a big game player. He has not played well in a final for us apart from a couple of junk time goals against Hawthorn in the Elimination final.

He gets his reputation from his Brisbane days and a lot of our supporters are happy to just keep on rolling out the same line. I agree with you, in the 4 finals he played in against top 4 sides for the Bulldogs he hasn't played well in any of them let alone won them off his own boot, but if you want to go down that track you're going to be torn apart by some die hard supporters on here because several of our crowd favorite senior players should equally have the finger pointed squarely at them too.

[LostDoggy]

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Bulldog 4332
Have a look at his disposal efficiency, it is poor. He often misses targets both by hand and foot. It works like this, Gia tries to spot up a leading target, misses and then slaps his thigh. It happens all the time.

Disposal efficency 2010:

Gia - 72.8% - 12th of all players

Aker - 66% - 27th of all players

[Mofra]

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Disposal efficency 2010:

Gia - 72.8% - 12th of all players

Aker - 66% - 27th of all players

Quite telling stats, considering Gia played as a proxy inside midfielder in Boyd's absence early in the season.

The best single piece of play I have seen this seen was by Gia, under pressure in the first Hawks game.

[LostDoggy]

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What is the bigger contributor to any given goal? The one effective kick by the goal-scorer, or the long chain of good play which preceeded it?

When a goal is kicked, although the goal is credited to the goal-scorer, there are many players who had a bigger hand in the scoring of the 6 points.

Stephen Milne's role within the team is as a goal-scorer, so of course if he doesn't kick goals in a game, it is likely that he hasn't performed very well. If Adam Cooney doesn't kick a goal in any given game, then is it likely that he has performed as badly as, or worse than, Milne? Of course not. Similarly, Gia should not be judged by the amount of goals he kicks just because he falls under the same title ('small-forward') as Milne. Surely you understand this?

But the whole point of this thread is that we need a small forward and Gia, as you say, does not fit the need because, as I say, he's not kicking goals. We're probably arguing the same point in different ways perhaps.

[Scorlibo]

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But the whole point of this thread is that we need a small forward and Gia, as you say, does not fit the need because, as I say, he's not kicking goals. We're probably arguing the same point in different ways perhaps.

As I understand it, the whole point of this thread was/is not that we need a crumbing forward (use crumbing as a descriptor, because Gia is a very good small forward, despite not fitting in the crumbing mould), but rather to vent frustration at Aker's continued stint at Willy by saying that he is better than one of our best forwards.

The reason Gia does not 'fit the need' for a crumbing forward is because he is not a crumbing forward, he is not played in that role, and thus no one should expect him to be that player.

You say:

Gia no good. Gia small forward. Small forward need kick goals.

I say:

Gia good. Gia make more goal than any other forward. Gia not crumber. Gia no need kick goals.

We're not agreeing.

[Ozza]

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Aker's been sacked - so i guess we don't have to worry!

(I'd have Gia first anyway!).

[LostDoggy]

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Aker's been sacked - so i guess we don't have to worry!

(I'd have Gia first anyway!).

Me too

[LostDoggy]

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Even though it was on the cards, the decision still is a bit of a shock