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  • ledge
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2007
    • 14141

    Re: The Footy Show

    Originally posted by Before I Die
    How is it going to hurt the club?????

    What support are you referring to and how is it going to be affected by Aker's sacking????


    We are not going to lose sponsors or have a diminished media profile. Memberships sales have already finished for the year. Memberships next year will depend on how we finish in 2010, not on Aker. We lose nothing in playing personal as Aker circa 2010 (despite what he may believe)was struggling to get a game in our senior team.

    I really can't see any negative in his sacking for the club. Whereas I could see great potential for damage if he stayed and the playing group became more fractured. It is sad for Aker, but FFS, he is a grown man and he has to take responsibility for his actions.
    Great thoughts and a very truthful way of putting it.
    Its not about Aker its about how the club finishes off the season.
    Bring back the biff

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    • Missing Dog
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8501

      Re: The Footy Show

      I think anyone who says Rose came out better than Aker was watching some other Footy show in an alternate reality. Aker won in the Court of Public Opinion. Easily!!

      One MAJOR reason why Aker came out looking better than Rose is because IMO Rose looked like every bit the A-hole boss in a suit giving an employee the arse. Rose achieved this by being evasive, and by not being specific about any of the details. He just kept repeating the tired, scripted and rehearsed line that "the club and players no longer trusted Aker". Rose didn't actually say anything more than that. Why go on the show!!!!! And his feeble "my son wears Aker's number" was just embarrasing.

      Everyone knows someone or- maybe first hand- who's got the arse because of an A-hole boss, and Rose played that part magnificently.

      IMO Aker did Rose over by challenging him with "which players, you wanna see the text messages". He also called Rose on the fact that he had done everything the club had asked of him when playing at Willi, and asked why did they make him go through punishing his body, when they had already decided to sack him. Rose replied by saying he has little to do with the actual football department. playing list and team selection, his role was marketing, budgeting etc. So why the F was he there talking to Aker? Aker was also successfull in describing the sacking as an ambush by a pack of gutless administrators, people who wouldn't even look him the eye. Rose's manner, tone, and club role did nothing to dispel that.

      Why the club sent in an administrator; bean counter, and spin doctor to go against Aker is beyond me. Smorgo should been there with Johno as the captain beside him, but IMO the club should not have been there in the first place.

      Aker came across as an ordinary bloke who just wanted to play football. He connected with the salt of the earth "ordinary" footy fan. And he "stuck it to the man" by telling him to "piss off" to boot.

      Not the Clubs finest hour.

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      • Before I Die
        Senior Player
        • Jul 2008
        • 1031

        Re: The Footy Show

        Originally posted by Stefcep
        Not the Clubs finest hour.
        I don't agree. But even if I am wrong, it was more like 5 minutes rather than an hour. However, I am sure it doesn't matter. I have seen more anger on this board about Everitt not getting a game. As for the opinions of supporters from other teams, "Well frankly my dear, I don't give a damn". And I am pretty confident, neither does the club.
        The Angels have the phone box. [SIZE="2"]Don't blink![/SIZE]

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        • Rocco Jones
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jun 2008
          • 6924

          Re: The Footy Show

          Despite all his onfield success, I believe Aker will always be the kid with acne who had has dad walk out on him deep down inside.

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          • Throughandthrough
            Coaching Staff
            • Nov 2007
            • 3203

            Re: The Footy Show

            Originally posted by Before I Die

            We are not going to lose sponsors or have a diminished media profile. Memberships sales have already finished for the year. Memberships next year will depend on how we finish in 2010, not on Aker.


            We have two new players to market the club next year...


            Liberatore + Wallis...........

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            • Missing Dog
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8501

              Re: The Footy Show

              Originally posted by Rocco Jones
              Despite all his onfield success, I believe Aker will always be the kid with acne who had has dad walk out on him deep down inside.
              I think there's a lot of truth in that. But i don't hold it agianst him. IMO its a big reason for all the confused boys we have in our a society as well

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                Re: The Footy Show

                Originally posted by Stefcep
                I think anyone who says Rose came out better than Aker was watching some other Footy show in an alternate reality. Aker won in the Court of Public Opinion. Easily!!

                One MAJOR reason why Aker came out looking better than Rose is because IMO Rose looked like every bit the A-hole boss in a suit giving an employee the arse. Rose achieved this by being evasive, and by not being specific about any of the details. He just kept repeating the tired, scripted and rehearsed line that "the club and players no longer trusted Aker". Rose didn't actually say anything more than that. Why go on the show!!!!! And his feeble "my son wears Aker's number" was just embarrasing.

                Everyone knows someone or- maybe first hand- who's got the arse because of an A-hole boss, and Rose played that part magnificently.

                IMO Aker did Rose over by challenging him with "which players, you wanna see the text messages". He also called Rose on the fact that he had done everything the club had asked of him when playing at Willi, and asked why did they make him go through punishing his body, when they had already decided to sack him. Rose replied by saying he has little to do with the actual football department. playing list and team selection, his role was marketing, budgeting etc. So why the F was he there talking to Aker? Aker was also successfull in describing the sacking as an ambush by a pack of gutless administrators, people who wouldn't even look him the eye. Rose's manner, tone, and club role did nothing to dispel that.

                Why the club sent in an administrator; bean counter, and spin doctor to go against Aker is beyond me. Smorgo should been there with Johno as the captain beside him, but IMO the club should not have been there in the first place.

                Aker came across as an ordinary bloke who just wanted to play football. He connected with the salt of the earth "ordinary" footy fan. And he "stuck it to the man" by telling him to "piss off" to boot.

                Not the Clubs finest hour.

                This was a turning point, where Rose could have finished the whole segment by saying thanks but no thanks, Aker if you HAVE any messages then I would not want you to lose the trust of the only players left on the list. Quickly followed by a nice little YOU JUST DONT GET IT MATE!!!!

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  Re: The Footy Show

                  For me it comes down to who do I trust. Smorgon, Eade, Johnson, at least the vast majority of players, Darcy etc. or Aker? Let's see, a man who brought this club back from the brink of death (just about), a coach who has taken us to 4/6 finals series (after this year), our club game record holder/AA captain/the epitome of loyalty, a bunch of guys who had to put up with him all the time and a former club captain, or Aker, the guy who whether he admits it or not, got kicked out of two clubs. It's a toughy, I must say

                  That Footy Show interview proved to me why I love players like Morris, Boyd, Hargrave and so on. Some of the things he said were just disgusting. For starters he tells our CEO to piss off (in jest or not, I believe the latter), accuses Johnno of conspiring against him, takes a cheap shot at a club legend in Smith, basically compares the VFL to some sort of hell hole, that telling a 'mate' club secrets is OK (after we were led to believe it was 'overheard')...and these Aker-lovers reckon we should keep this bloke? Turn it up. He only believes in on field trust, but what he fails to understand is that it is a whole lot easier to respect someone on field if you respect (but not necessarily like) them off field. This is true on every level of sport, hell, I'm sure it's true in any workplace where you work in a team. He is simply deluded. He was clearly a great player, but when the negatives have long outweighed the positives (think of it this way, Dale Morris is only 2 goals behind him this season, scary thought), it's time to say good-bye. I only wish he'd retired last year.

                  Edit- This is not directed at anyone, just needed to vent

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                  • AndrewP6
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 8142

                    Re: The Footy Show

                    Originally posted by ledge


                    Sadly the traits of a serial killer, no sign of emotion for others.
                    Oh please, you're likening someone who talks too much to too many, to someone who takes the lives of others?
                    [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                    • AndrewP6
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 8142

                      Re: The Footy Show

                      Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                      Is there anything more serious than a loss of trust? I don't think we should underplay jsut how important trust is in a team. Its not some small insignificant factor, but pretty much the essence of what being in a team is about. To me it seems that the media has trivialised the issue of trust when in reality it is central to team cohesion. I think what this whole episode does is provide an example of just how important trust is to a group.

                      As for your comment's on Rose I think they are wide of the mark.
                      A loss of trust based on speculation, rumour etc is pretty flimsy, IMO. Without cold, hard facts, shouldn't trust remain? Or can they just oust players based on a feeling? I had a long discussion on this today at work. My boss was saying how she had investigated the Leading Teams approach (going as far as having meetings with reps from the company), investigating the idea of using them to work with our "Leadership Team". One reason they decided against it was the strategy of sitting a person in front of their colleagues and airing the perceived issues with their performance with the entire group. She was saying it is a strategy that simply is not effective with some people. I thought that was interesting...

                      On C. Rose, they're just my opinions. Right or wrong, that's how he comes across to me.
                      [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                      • AndrewP6
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 8142

                        Re: The Footy Show

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        The show is run by dills and is viewed by dills.
                        Charming...
                        [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                        • G-Mo77
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9873

                          Re: The Footy Show

                          Originally posted by AndrewP6
                          Charming...
                          Footy show fan hey?

                          Not surprised.....

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                          • AndrewP6
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 8142

                            Re: The Footy Show

                            Originally posted by G-Mo77
                            I would have liked to have said nothing at all and avoided the shit storm and publicity this pathetic show got but if we went that way we would have been bagged even more. Throw anyone else out there and they would have been ambushed like Campbell Rose was tonight. Rose was the best guy for the job. He knew what he should or shouldn't say and didn't get caught up in the dribble Aker and Same were spewing out through the whole segment.
                            And in the process made the club look pathetic, IMO. They could just have well sent the receptionist to read a statement. I took nothing from his appearance or words at all.
                            [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                            • AndrewP6
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 8142

                              Re: The Footy Show

                              Originally posted by G-Mo77
                              Footy show fan hey?

                              Not surprised.....
                              Care to elaborate?
                              [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                              • G-Mo77
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9873

                                Re: The Footy Show

                                Originally posted by AndrewP6
                                And in the process made the club look pathetic, IMO. They could just have well sent the receptionist to read a statement. I took nothing from his appearance or words at all.
                                You'd already made your mind up anyway. He could have came out and spilled everything and you would still not believe anything.

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