Round 21 Team

[comrade]

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From memory Eagleton was just about BOG against the lions in the Semi last year - Not all fail in Sept- but when he goes missing he goes in a big way. Still agree he shouldn't be in the side - i guess he has been given 'another' final chance to redeem himself.

Brisbane were going half rat power at that point - just another example of Eagle turning up when the heat is off. Remind me how he went the next week when we really needed someone to break it open?

[stefoid]

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Do we need to cover old ground - Eagleton plays well when we win well or when he is given space and time. This year, he is a mirror of the entire side - performs poorly under pressure.

[Greystache]

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From memory Eagleton was just about BOG against the lions in the Semi last year - Not all fail in Sept- but when he goes missing he goes in a big way. Still agree he shouldn't be in the side - i guess he has been given 'another' final chance to redeem himself.

Brisbane wasn't exactly a big final, they fell in the week before due to Carlton imploding and had run their race for the year (and look at them this year). It was a game we were always going to win (our usual consolation finals win) and the sort of match our serial big game flops play well in. Eagleton was poor in both finals against top quality sides

[LostDoggy]

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Brisbane wasn't exactly a big final, they fell in the week before due to Carlton imploding and had run their race for the year (and look at them this year). It was a game we were always going to win (our usual consolation finals win) and the sort of match our serial big game flops play well in. Eagleton was poor in both finals against top quality sides

Brisbane were going half rat power at that point - just another example of Eagle turning up when the heat is off. Remind me how he went the next week when we really needed someone to break it open?

Dont disagree with either of you - just responding to Comrades quote that it will be another September of Eagleton fail when in fact he did play well in that semi final.

He was shizen in prelim - probably worst on ground against the saints that night.

[Mofra]

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At the moment, yeah, but he is improving. Hes 21yo and has a lot of talent. You dont trade guys like that unless you get a godfather offer.

A trade would depend on what we were offered as a guess, but I can understand the fact that he is not in our best 22 this week or overall.

[Mantis]

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Lake will be out, so Williams at Full back and Hahn CHB.

Has that been confirmed or are you just hypothesising?

[Hotdog60]

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Everitt just needs to be patient, Eagle goes next year and Dre gets the wing roving role.

[Scraggers]

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Everitt just needs to be patient, Eagle goes next year and Dre gets the wing roving role.

Eagleton has only played 11 games this year ... In his absence, Everitt has not been given the 'wing roving role'

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Everitt is a conundrum. He is a quality player, but what he offers the team is less than his total ability.

Lets be honest - as a backman, he'd be the 6th best on the ground if he played.
As a forward? Probably 6th best.
Midfielder? Outside of the top 6.
You could almost mount an argument as a back-up ruckman, but if you include Hudson, Roughy, Minson, Williams and Cordy, he's 193cm and lighter than Skipper - perhaps 6th best on our list.

His abilities as a player, and the value he adds to the team, aren't equal IMO.

Harsh judgement IMO. You're basing opinion on the side from last year.

If we were 100% fit and firing, I'd probably agree with you. We aren't though. There's plenty of players injured or out of form.

Everitt should be ahead of Hahn, Ward, Higgins and Eagleton - that's my argument in a nutshell. Andrejs still has faults that he needs to work on, but he's not going to get better wondering around at Williamstown. I think he offers more than Jones does at this point in his young career too - but there's no reason why they can't both play. Then there's Rocco's argument about the second ruck, in which case Everitt would be ahead of Roughead and Minson as well.

It's pretty obvious that Everitt isn't given the same treatment as other players.

[FrediKanoute]

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Everitt is a conundrum. He is a quality player, but what he offers the team is less than his total ability.

Lets be honest - as a backman, he'd be the 6th best on the ground if he played.
As a forward? Probably 6th best.
Midfielder? Outside of the top 6.
You could almost mount an argument as a back-up ruckman, but if you include Hudson, Roughy, Minson, Williams and Cordy, he's 193cm and lighter than Skipper - perhaps 6th best on our list.

His abilities as a player, and the value he adds to the team, aren't equal IMO.

Maybe. I think that with Everitt he like a really good bottle of wine. He will mature both physically and mentally and become a really, really good player. Sometimes you just need to do 2 things with some players:

1) Get games into them to give them the experience they need; and
2) Give them an extended run in the side to build up confidence

The worst aspect of the decision to drop Everitt is that he has done nothing to deserve being dropped.....he hasn't played badly, he hasn't underperformed compared to other players.....its a decision made for "match up" reasons which sees teammates retained who had absolute shockers!

Everitt will develop into a very, very, very good player, he just needs a little more confidence and a little more experience.

[Sedat]

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Brisbane were going half rat power at that point - just another example of Eagle turning up when the heat is off. Remind me how he went the next week when we really needed someone to break it open?

You could just as easily be talking about the 2008 finals series - woeful in the heat of the kitchen against Hawthorn, some quality finishing against Sydney (mostly when it was all over in the 4th), followed by rabbit in the headlights stuff against Geelong. That was 2 years ago, when Eagle was 2 years younger, quicker and actually had penetration with his kicking. He is a 2 year older version (with significantly diminished phisical gifts) of the player that failed on the big stage 2 years ago. He is not suddently going to magically morph into a line breaking gut running Craig Bradley at his peak.

[comay]

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I saw Lindsay Gilbee in St Albans primary this morning, just wonder if he playing tomorrow??

[azabob]

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I saw Lindsay Gilbee in St Albans primary this morning, just wonder if he playing tomorrow??

Realy? He hurt his shoulder at training. Will be a big loss on the small ground.

[becmatty]

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Lake is moving around well and should get up for the match.

[LostDoggy]

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I saw Lindsay Gilbee in St Albans primary this morning, just wonder if he playing tomorrow??

Aaww thats my old primary school......