Why Haven't these Guys got a Jumper

**Greystache** · 23-08-2010, 09:41 PM

Re: Why Haven't these Guys got a Jumper

Seriously, can we have a moratorium on suggesting players be promoted unless you have actually seen them play for Williamstiwn live!

**AndrewP6** · 23-08-2010, 09:44 PM

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I'm no expert as I don't get over to Willi and only occasionally see them on TV...but have read many posts here which seem to concur on reasons for their non-appearance in the Tri-colours. I could have some of these wrong, feel free to jump in any time WOOFers!

Rose: size limits the positions he can play in.
Hooper: size and fitness...
Markovic: Slow.

**LostDoggy** · 23-08-2010, 09:59 PM

Re: Why Haven't these Guys got a Jumper

Originally posted by Greystache

Seriously, can we have a moratorium on suggesting players be promoted unless you have actually seen them play for Williamstiwn live!

Grey I've seen these guys show the "Guts, Balls & Heart" that some others that get a regular call up don't Have.
They get dropped and then recalled.
Give a guy that Wants to Give his all to the club a go, instead of someone who's got a lucrative contract and couldn't give a rats about the next week. (JH)

**The Bulldogs Bite** · 23-08-2010, 10:37 PM

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Hooper was very close to being selected about five weeks ago if I recall correctly. Unfortunately, he's been pretty quiet since then.

Markovic is a good VFL player but he's incredibly slow; see Skipper.

**Throughandthrough** · 23-08-2010, 10:41 PM

Re: Why Haven't these Guys got a Jumper

Originally posted by Greystache

Seriously, can we have a moratorium on suggesting players be promoted unless you have actually seen them play for Williamstiwn live!

I agree.

Oh, and give Howie a game

His last game in SA was a winning granny, so thats good enough for me.

**LostDoggy** · 23-08-2010, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by Greystache

Seriously, can we have a moratorium on suggesting players be promoted unless you have actually seen them play for Williamstiwn live!

Caught up with Shnookie at a few Willy games, both home and away.

Have to say this is an ideal time to find out if the three rookies mentioned can make a go of it at AFL level. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

**DOG GOD** · 24-08-2010, 09:03 AM

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If Hooper, Rose and markovic arent the types required to play for the dogs, then why were they drafted and rookied?

EVERY player on the dogs list should be picked on the basis that they could play if needed.
This doesnt seem to be the case at the dogs.

**Its like a band putting out an album of 12 songs but only playing 3 of those songs live, coz they can only play 3 of the songs live

**mighty_west** · 24-08-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by DOG GOD

If Hooper, Rose and markovic arent the types required to play for the dogs, then why were they drafted and rookied?

EVERY player on the dogs list should be picked on the basis that they could play if needed.
This doesnt seem to be the case at the dogs.

**Its like a band putting out an album of 12 songs but only playing 3 of those songs live, coz they can only play 3 of the songs live

It all depends on their development when drafted, some kids take alot more time that others etc, but one would think the marure aged draftee's / rookies SHOULD be ready to go round 1 [if required].

**Greystache** · 24-08-2010, 09:18 AM

Re: Why Haven't these Guys got a Jumper

Originally posted by DOG GOD

If Hooper, Rose and markovic arent the types required to play for the dogs, then why were they drafted and rookied?

EVERY player on the dogs list should be picked on the basis that they could play if needed.
This doesnt seem to be the case at the dogs.

**Its like a band putting out an album of 12 songs but only playing 3 of those songs live, coz they can only play 3 of the songs live

The problem is recruiting isn't an exact science unfortunately. Players like Hooper and Rose were rookie listed because they had short comings that would need to be overcome in order to make it at AFL level, in Hooper's case it's height, and in Rose's case pace. The rookie list is the place for project types, and a couple on our list have shown a bit so far, Hooper, Panos, and Prato.

Markovic I can't understand, he was rookied by Hawthorn years ago in the hope they could improve his pace to the point where'd he only be a little slow, he had injuries and they obviously decided it was a weakness he couldn't over come. Watching him now as a mature player nothing has changed for mine.

**LostDoggy** · 24-08-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by Greystache

Markovic I can't understand, he was rookied by Hawthorn years ago in the hope they could improve his pace to the point where'd he only be a little slow, he had injuries and they obviously decided it was a weakness he couldn't over come. Watching him now as a mature player nothing has changed for mine.

Throwing all our eggs into the 2010 premiership basket, Markovic was a direct back-up if Lake went down. No one is going to be able to actually fully replace the best full-back in the league, and he IS slow, but he reads the game and ball in flight as well as anyone on our list, and as a stop-gap, wouldn't be the worst like-for-like replacement going around.

We wouldn't have landed Mcguire as he would have wanted a first-team gig, while we were just looking for cheap insurance. The only mistake was putting him on the senior list -- Markovic was the kind of player the rookie list was created for.

**Mofra** · 24-08-2010, 10:21 AM

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Our problem in the games we have been smashed in is with run. None of the three players mentioned provide that;
- Prior to the Geelong game we had arguably the best defensive unit in the league, which rules out Markovic
- Rose has been tried in the midfield but still doesn't have the tank, plays predominately forward in the mid forward role that a resting midfielder would play in the seniors
- Hooper plays as a permanent forward and would be the closest of the bunch as a crumbing/smart playing type

May be a case for a permanent forward to come in and have Gia play more midfield, with the loss of Cooney.

**mighty_west** · 24-08-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Lantern

Throwing all our eggs into the 2010 premiership basket, Markovic was a direct back-up if Lake went down. No one is going to be able to actually fully replace the best full-back in the league, and he IS slow, but he reads the game and ball in flight as well as anyone on our list, and as a stop-gap, wouldn't be the worst like-for-like replacement going around.

We wouldn't have landed Mcguire as he would have wanted a first-team gig, while we were just looking for cheap insurance. The only mistake was putting him on the senior list -- Markovic was the kind of player the rookie list was created for.

I still question why Mulligan played on Barry Hall in the intra club as well as getting Nab Cup game ahead of Markovic, i understand upgrading Mulligan to the senior list etc, but if Markovic was recruited in to be that back up player!!!............

**mighty_west** · 24-08-2010, 10:34 AM

Re: Why Haven't these Guys got a Jumper

Originally posted by Mofra

Our problem in the games we have been smashed in is with run. None of the three players mentioned provide that;
- Prior to the Geelong game we had arguably the best defensive unit in the league, which rules out Markovic
- Rose has been tried in the midfield but still doesn't have the tank, plays predominately forward in the mid forward role that a resting midfielder would play in the seniors
- Hooper plays as a permanent forward and would be the closest of the bunch as a crumbing/smart playing type

May be a case for a permanent forward to come in and have Gia play more midfield, with the loss of Cooney.

This is why i thought it would have been good to give Rose a run [if he was eligable to be upgraded] with also losing Johnno.

I understand that Hooper may have a bigger upside than Rose and have a few more tricks up his sleeve etc, but right now as is stands, Rose is well ahead as that smaller forward.

**Sockeye Salmon** · 24-08-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by mighty_west

I still question why Mulligan played on Barry Hall in the intra club as well as getting Nab Cup game ahead of Markovic, i understand upgrading Mulligan to the senior list etc, but if Markovic was recruited in to be that back up player!!!............

Markovic was injured early on and had a late start the season.

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