TEAMS - Round 22

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  • Bulldog4life
    WOOF Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 9607

    #31
    Re: TEAMS - Round 22

    Originally posted by bornadog
    Who thinks Higgo is still a chance? Apparently having blood tests to see if he is ok to play.
    If he is right to go it wouldn't surprise me either if there is a late change. Who for, I'm not quite sure. Jones or Hahn seem most likely.

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    • Greystache
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Dec 2009
      • 9775

      #32
      Re: TEAMS - Round 22

      Originally posted by mjp
      I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

      I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

      Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

      Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?
      I agree with all of tbat MJP, especially in relation to Hill, his defensive pressure was no worse than Higgins and at least he provided some offensive upside. Why Hill's lack of defensive output is so strongly scrutinized by the coaching staff remains a mystery to me when Johnson, Higgins, Cross, and Boyd wouldn't even be aware what number guernsey their opponents wore if ir weren't for the pre-game videos.
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      • Desipura
        WOOF Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 4344

        #33
        Re: TEAMS - Round 22

        Originally posted by mjp
        I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

        I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

        Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

        Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?
        I agree and furthermore he creates a mismatch due to his ability to take an overhead mark, something Johnno used to do.

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          #34
          Re: TEAMS - Round 22

          Originally posted by mjp
          I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

          I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

          Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

          Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?
          Post of the week. I dont think we have a choice but to play Hill and had him in my side this week. Hahn preferrably or Jones to make way, depending on if Hahn can show why he is better value than Jones.

          If I was an Essendon player I would tank this game just to see the back of Knights.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66188

            #35
            Re: TEAMS - Round 22

            Originally posted by Greystache
            I agree with all of tbat MJP, especially in relation to Hill, his defensive pressure was no worse than Higgins and at least he provided some offensive upside. Why Hill's lack of defensive output is so strongly scrutinized by the coaching staff remains a mystery to me when Johnson, Higgins, Cross, and Boyd wouldn't even be aware what number guernsey their opponents wore if ir weren't for the pre-game videos.
            Cross is one of our best tacklers and averages just over 5 per game, compared to Hill's 3.7. Cross's biggest issue is pace.

            However, I agree Hill should have been given a chance to show something this week.
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            • Bumper Bulldogs
              Coaching Staff
              • Apr 2008
              • 2931

              #36
              Re: TEAMS - Round 22

              If their is any truth to Hall having a leg problem I would rest him play Jones at FF and bring in Hill.

              Just the same we have a fair better side than the Bombers, Eade should be sitting Josh down and stating the future direction based on Hills performance from now till the end of the year.It may just be the 'X' factor that we have all been waiting for.

              If not trade him as it looks like he cant play for the current side/coaches.

              Leave Higgo out as no need to risk him just give him a small run at willie if needed.

              Also it should be interesting to see how DFA goes these are the moments that you pay back the faith of be a list clogger for so long and get an extension to your current contract. A bit like Tiller last year.
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              • The Bulldogs Bite
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 11122

                #37
                Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                Originally posted by mjp
                I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

                I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

                Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

                Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?
                I definitely agree with you mjp and I've been a supporter of Hill for most of the season, but I didn't bother mentioning him because his cards are already marked for this season.
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                • Sockeye Salmon
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6365

                  #38
                  Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                  Originally posted by mjp
                  I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

                  I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

                  Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

                  Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?
                  No.
                  Yes.
                  And no.

                  Stick a fork in Hahn, he's done. I simply can't see what he can offer. He's too short to play on talls, he's too slow to play on smalls and not damaging enough on the odd occassions he does get the ball. Sure he's strong, but unless Rhino O'Connor makes a comeback I can't see a single player in the league he could play on. Thanks Mitch, get your manager to make some enquiries to see if anyone else will give you another go but I suspect your time in the AFL is over.

                  Stack is not up to it yet but has made slow but steady progress. Not this year but I'd give him another go at some stage next year and if he has continued to improve he could still make it.

                  Hill has talent, no question, but his efforts at Willi have been abysmal and I wouldn't reward them with a senior spot. His body language looks to me a lot like Nathan Brown right before he left. I'll guess that Josh has already decided he's moving on and is just going through the motions at Willi.



                  Murphy's Lore:
                  "At the risk of showing my ignorance, isn't the game decided in the end on who kicks the most goals?"

                  In the 1972 grand final Richmond kicked 22, it didn't help them, Carlton kicked 28.
                  When Sydney and West Coast won in 2005/06 they kicked about 8 or 9 each.

                  Kicking goals is only half the equation, and a goal stopped is worth just as much as a goal scored. To play someone who picks up 2 or 3 soft ones out the back but lets his opponent run off him and set up half a dozen for them means we lose.

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                  • mjp
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 7307

                    #39
                    Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                    Fair enough SS.

                    I hate yo-yo selections which is why I supported the retention of Hahn. I didn't want him picked LAST week, but when he was figured that since we were beaten so badly across the ground that the blame could hardly be laid at his feet.

                    I know what you are saying re- Hill and I understand why he wasn't picked. But with Cooney out we need some class and he is all we have left. If the plan is to play a clearly restricted Harbrow as a mid and Addison down back, then I hate the plan. We are changing an elite running defender into an average midfielder and adding a defender (Addison) who can't hit targets by foot. It wont work.
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                    • Sedat
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 11147

                      #40
                      Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                      Originally posted by mjp
                      I know what you are saying re- Hill and I understand why he wasn't picked. But with Cooney out we need some class and he is all we have left. If the plan is to play a clearly restricted Harbrow as a mid and Addison down back, then I hate the plan. We are changing an elite running defender into an average midfielder and adding a defender (Addison) who can't hit targets by foot. It wont work.
                      Agree with this. Addison has been playing midfield for Willy the last few weeks and has reportedly been impressive in the role. He will be another hard-arse in the middle to at least make life difficult for Pendlebury and Ball to extract it out of the stoppages. Also being defensively-oriented, he will add some much-needed accountability in the middle. The thing with Addison moreso than most is that he is a confidence player - he was terrific in 2008 for a number of weeks when his confidence was up and he has gained some confidence at Willy in recent weeks.

                      We still need dash and rebound off half back, which is what Harbrow excels at. Having Addison down there is heart in mouth stuff with his questionable disposal and he would get torched by the clever small forwards for the opposition. Plus we are a chance to get Wood back next week, which will relieve Hargrave to play the more defensive lock-down role to replace Morris.

                      Now if we can get Boyd and Cross to focus some time on clearing space for Griff and protecting the drop zone from their direct opponents, we can nullify the Collingwood midfield clearance threat. Important to note that Hudson regularly beats up on Jolly for fun, so if the natural order is maintained next week, Collingwood has a reduced weapon in their ruck division.
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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #41
                        Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                        Originally posted by mjp
                        I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

                        I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

                        Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

                        Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?
                        Agree with your post mjp.

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                        • Greystache
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9775

                          #42
                          Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Cross is one of our best tacklers and averages just over 5 per game, compared to Hill's 3.7. Cross's biggest issue is pace.

                          However, I agree Hill should have been given a chance to show something this week.
                          You get a hell of a lot more chances to tackle playing in the midfield, particularly at stoppages, Hill's 3.7 tackles would be by comparison higher.
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                          • Greystache
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9775

                            #43
                            Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                            Originally posted by mjp
                            I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.
                            I think we'll see Mitch lining up in defence from here on in.
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                            • Desipura
                              WOOF Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 4344

                              #44
                              Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                              Originally posted by Greystache
                              I think we'll see Mitch lining up in defence from here on in.
                              If so, he will take Brown against Collingwood and at best break even. Whereas a Williams for example would be able to run off him.

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                              • mighty_west
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 3417

                                #45
                                Re: TEAMS - Round 22

                                Originally posted by Greystache
                                I think we'll see Mitch lining up in defence from here on in.
                                Let's just hope he doesn't get exposed for his lack of pace come finals, at least with Presti he wears his opponents like a glove.

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