The 2009 crop, who will make it?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

It's a massive year for us list management wise.

The thing that worries me is that it's not exactly a great time to be de-listing many and trying to find good young talent in the draft to replace them with, given GC & GWS will be hoovering up all the obvious young kids over the next couple of years.
Given we will probably have to use our 1st two picks on Libba and Wallis, Dalrymple and Co are going to either have to unearth some gems noone knows about, or do the best they can recycling players in the pre-season draft.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

The thing that worries me is that it's not exactly a great time to be de-listing many and trying to find good young talent in the draft to replace them with, given GC & GWS will be hoovering up all the obvious young kids over the next couple of years.
Given we will probably have to use our 1st two picks on Libba and Wallis, Dalrymple and Co are going to either have to unearth some gems noone knows about, or do the best they can recycling players in the pre-season draft.

Agreed.

The thing is, we have specific needs, and enough "star" players for the shorter term at present. We should be able to fill those needs, albeit with picks equivalent to 4th round and onwards. The strike rate probably won't be as high, but if we do the research and get the identification right, we can get the job done IMO.

It's not only Dalrymple's responsibility as the other members of the List Management team need to make the hard decisions too. Certainly hugely important though, and we can't have a situation like this year where we have a quite likely, a maybe and two not a chance selections inside 12 months.

How many upgrades we make may also play a part and I guess it's possible even if we turn over 6 senior list positions we only have 2 live picks.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

The thing that worries me is that it's not exactly a great time to be de-listing many and trying to find good young talent in the draft to replace them with, given GC & GWS will be hoovering up all the obvious young kids over the next couple of years.
Given we will probably have to use our 1st two picks on Libba and Wallis, Dalrymple and Co are going to either have to unearth some gems noone knows about, or do the best they can recycling players in the pre-season draft.

Johnson and Eagleton are veterans so they don't count.
Aker and Callan are offset by elevating Moles and Hooper.
Harbrow and Thorne will be replaced by Liberatore and Wallis.

How many more delistings do we need?

I would ask Hahn to step aside. That would leave us with a single live pick in the regular draft - likely to be around the mid-50's.

Daniels and Rose will probably be let go. Moles and Hooper to the seior list. Prato and Panos retained. That leaves us with 6 live rookie picks.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

Johnson and Eagleton are veterans so they don't count.
Aker and Callan are offset by elevating Moles and Hooper.
Harbrow and Thorne will be replaced by Liberatore and Wallis.

How many more delistings do we need?

I would ask Hahn to step aside. That would leave us with a single live pick in the regular draft - likely to be around the mid-50's.

Daniels and Rose will probably be let go. Moles and Hooper to the seior list. Prato and Panos retained. That leaves us with 6 live rookie picks.

how bout Mulligan? Is he likely to get a new contract or is he already contracted for next year?

[Greystache]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

Johnson and Eagleton are veterans so they don't count.
Aker and Callan are offset by elevating Moles and Hooper.
Harbrow and Thorne will be replaced by Liberatore and Wallis.

How many more delistings do we need?

I would ask Hahn to step aside. That would leave us with a single live pick in the regular draft - likely to be around the mid-50's.

Daniels and Rose will probably be let go. Moles and Hooper to the seior list. Prato and Panos retained. That leaves us with 6 live rookie picks.

I think Hahn will be retained for next year.

[comrade]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

I think Hahn will be retained for next year.

As suggested in the other thread, he's doing a mighty fine Scott Welsh impersonation heading in to finals. Hopefully that extends to the same decision Welshy made at the end of last year.

[Greystache]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

As suggested in the other thread, he's doing a mighty fine Scott Welsh impersonation heading in to finals. Hopefully that extends to the same decision Welshy made at the end of last year.

I don't think it will however.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

how bout Mulligan? Is he likely to get a new contract or is he already contracted for next year?

I never did understand why he was elevated last year.

I've no idea what they will do with him.

[chef]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

I think Hahn will be retained for next year.

He shouldn't be, but I agree that he probably will.

[Ovatheboarder]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

76 - Shane Thorne: Reports are his attitude is poor. He hasn't had a chance to show anything 'on the field', but it seems certain he'll be delisted.

Bit harsh on Thorne considering his long term injury and as he was drafted via the main draft last year he is on a guarenteed 2 year contract.

[GVGjr]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

Bit harsh on Thorne considering his long term injury and as he was drafted via the main draft last year he is on a guarenteed 2 year contract.

I understand what you are saying but if a player isn't measuring up to the demands of AFL football then the right thing to do is to cut them free. He wouldn't want to spend another season at the club if he was just going to play in the Williamstown reserves and top up the seniors when required.
Best to pay out the balance of his contract and look at someone else.

[GVGjr]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

I never did understand why he was elevated last year.

I've no idea what they will do with him.

It just didn't make sense because the option was there to keep him at the club as a 3rd year rookie anyway.

Athletically great but on the form he has shown so far he can't have convinced enough people that he can become a senior footballer.

[GVGjr]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

2009 Draft selections:
15 - Christian Howard
31 - Jason tutt
63 - Lukas Markovic
76 - Shane Thorne

2009 Rookie selections:
19 - Brodie Moles
35 - Andrew Hooper
48 - Matthew Panos
59 - Eddie Prato
68 - Patrick Rose

Senior list
Howard and Tutt can't be judged as not going to make it as per the normal practice with our recruit of project players they will just take some time. The club placed a premium on kicking skills and these guys need a good pre-season so we can gauge their value in 2011.

Markovic is unlikely to offer us too much except for some short term coverage. I don't think he has shown enough to hold his spot but I won't be upset if he does.

I can't see Thorne staying at the club.

I will add Mulligan to this list as well but at the moment I simply don't know if we should keep him for another season or not. My gut feel is that he won't quite measure up but he could be the last player retained on the list dependent on which players retire or asked to get traded.

Rookie list
Moles - should survive and be promoted to the senior list but to me he is a depth player.
Hooper - it would be tempting to promote him.
Panos - the best I would offer him is another season on the rookie list.
Prato - as above. There might be another club interested in him but I would take that risk.
Rose - we won't play him so he won't be there next season.
Daniels - I would offer him another season on the rookie list.

Summary
Markovic, Thorne, Mulligan and Rose will struggle to hold their spots providing their contracts can be settled.
Moles and Hooper promoted.

Prato, Panos and Daniels retained as rookies.

[mighty_west]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

Rookie list
Moles - should survive and be promoted to the senior list but to me he is a depth player.
Hooper - it would be tempting to promote him.
Panos - the best I would offer him is another season on the rookie list.
Prato - as above. There might be another club interested in him but I would take that risk.
Rose - we won't play him so he won't be there next season.
Daniels - I would offer him another season on the rookie list.

Summary
Markovic, Thorne, Mulligan and Rose will struggle to hold their spots providing their contracts can be settled.
Moles and Hooper promoted.

Prato, Panos and Daniels retained as rookies.

What is it with Daniels that makes you think he should be retained?

You have obviously seen alot more of him than what i have, but to me, his skills just don't seem to be good enough as an outside mid, just can't see much of an upside there, i hope i'm wrong off course.

[GVGjr]

Re: The 2009 crop, who will make it?

What is it with Daniels that makes you think he should be retained?

You have obviously seen alot more of him than what i have, but to me, his skills just don't seem to be good enough as an outside mid, just can't see much of an upside there, i hope i'm wrong off course.

I will concede that he will be very lucky to hold his spot but I think there is merit to see if there is another step of improvement in him. I also like the idea of using the option of retaining a rookie for a 3rd year if there is the chance that there is some scope for improvement.