Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

[Jasper]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

Geez its easy to question the mental fragility of our playing group when your an outsider isnt it?

You don't seem to want to ackowledge or look at our big game performance recently.

2 wins
13 losses

against other top teams recently.

I reckon we have been good enough (perhaps not late this year), so it must be mental. I reckon last year we were desperately unlucky against the Saints, but don't tell me we didn't tighten up and choke against Geelong in the Qualifying final, this is the game you set your finals series up....how many of those have we won??

[azabob]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

Things need to change.

The lack of faith in the younger players is the most disapointing especially considering when we did get on a roll it was without Eagelton, Hahn, Johnson.

But how do we as members make this change happen?

Can we?

Will we be satisfied if Hahn, Eagelton and Johnson move on at the end of the year? Or does more need to happen?

It appears Boyd isn't what we thought he was and the game is past Cross and even Hargrave and Gilbee to a degree.

We commit so much time, money and energy supporting the club and will continue to but the worst thing of all is the feeling of helplessnes about the whole thing.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

Simply, NO

[Bornadog]

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What about his so called coaching & tactical nous? he continually gets out coached and everything he tried tonight did not even look like working.

What do you know about being out coached? How do you come to this conclusion. I would love an explanation if you are going to make flippant remarks.

[Bornadog]

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The lack of faith in the younger players is the most disapointing especially considering when we did get on a roll it was without Eagelton, Hahn, Johnson.

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What does that mean? We have given all young players a chance this year to prove themselves. Roughead, Jones, Grant, Wood, Stack, Everitt, Ward, Hill, Reid. Moles, have all had a go.

Who hasn't been shown any faith after showing some sort of form?

After last nights performance, I will conceed, that maybe Jones should have played and you know what, even Hill and Stack.

[azabob]

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What does that mean? We have given all young players a chance this year to prove themselves. Roughead, Jones, Grant, Wood, Stack, Everitt, Ward, Hill, Reid. Moles, have all had a go.

Who hasn't been shown any faith after showing some sort of form?

After last nights performance, I will conceed, that maybe Jones should have played and you know what, even Hill and Stack.

Jones should have played ahead of Johnson. Jones can get to contests and provide a leading option, Johnson cannot do that currently.

Moles should have played ahead of Eagelton. Moles disposal is suspect but he will put his head over the footy and get to contests, Eagleton's disposal is suspect and couldn't get to contests.


My point being is younger players did well and when finals comes along they seem to be left out of the side.

Strange as it sounds I think we missed Jones last night as the lead up forward. Yes he turned it over last week but he got a lot of it.

[Charlie the Wonder Dog]

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What do you know about being out coached? How do you come to this conclusion. I would love an explanation if you are going to make flippant remarks.

BAD

While not professing to have the expertise of many on this board, I am perplexed as to how we seemed powerless to get numbers to contests on the wings. Everyone knows that 'the filth' play down the wings and continually I saw 4 on 2s all last night.

To be sure we took in a number of players who were hampered by injuries, but what I wanted to see most last night was a scrap and instead I watched a training drill down both wings for the team in black and white.

I think Rodney is a very good coach and has done wonderful things for this club, but I left the ground with my confidence in him badly shaken.

[lemmon]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

Anybody but Williams, ex- Collingwood tie pulling wank.

Who gives a flying toss, coached one of the more successful team of the last decade, won a flag and for a long time was seen as the premier coach in the competition. He could be just what we need to get the best out of an aging group, still capable of snagging one.
He could be Satan himself if he won us a flag and I would still love him.

[Topdog]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

No, were not good enough to win a flag, no we dont have the personel, But only 1 team does, the team that wins, you could apply the same argument to all other 15 teams that dont win the flag.

Sorry but that is crap. Last year we and the Saints both had good enough personnel to win the flag and this year again 3 teams do - geelong, Saints and Collingwood.

[LostDoggy]

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My main impression being at the game last night was their structures killed us as much as anything, even more so than our injuries or poor selection or whatever. They are incredibly well drilled and disciplined in their zone/ press whatever you want to call it and we had no answers for it. Take a couple of the pies good ball users and put them in the red white and blue last night and they would have struggled just like most of our players, looking up and seeing that wall of black and white . Collingwood dont have a greatly superior playing group to us imo.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

My main impression being at the game last night was their structures killed us as much as anything, even more so than our injuries or poor selection or whatever. They are incredibly well drilled and disciplined in their zone/ press whatever you want to call it and we had no answers for it. Take a couple of the pies good ball users and put them in the red white and blue last night and they would have struggled just like most of our players, looking up and seeing that wall of black and white . Collingwood dont have a greatly superior playing group to us imo.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Collingwood is a team of plodders who are supremely well coached by the best coach in the league. Plus they have a winning club culture.

[Mofra]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Collingwood is a team of plodders who are supremely well coached by the best coach in the league. Plus they have a winning club culture.

Bull - they are the team with a huge amount of run, genuine stars and are well drilled, and most importantly they play for each other.
Winning club culture? They are on par with us over the past 60 years.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Can the Current Players and Staff win a Flag?

No, we need to re-vamp our list and build around the "next breed".