2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

[Remi Moses]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

All the emphasis will be on the older players,but really there has been some sub par seasons from a lot of the list!

[MrMahatma]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

In terms of building a premiership team from the ground up - we have Williams, Grant, Jones, Roughead, Cooney, Griffen, Picken, Ward. For mine, that's the foundation.

We've got some decent young talls for the first time, and some gun mids. We have major deficiencies in our list, no doubt, but I don't feel as frustrated as I did when we had all the pace in the world and no talls. I think our problems are reasonably easily fixed through the draft and through trading (IE: A pacey mid won't cost as much as a good KPP on the trade table).

We're a fair way off and I expect 2011 to not win as many games, but in search of the right mix to win the big one.

[The Coon Dog]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I'd initially name those I feel are untradeable, everyone else up for consideration (depending on what's on offer).

Those I wouldn't trade:

Grant, Murphy, Higgins, Ward, Hudson, Griffen, Cooney, Jones, Roughead, Hall, Wood, Lake, Morris & Picken. I'd obviously have Harbrow on that list too if it wasn't for GC17.

There are youngsters such as Howard, Tutt, Prato & Cordy that you just wouldn't consider trading as we really don't know at this stage what they offer.

My worry is our one paced midfielders; Cross, Boyd, Reid, Ward, Libba & Wallis. As Mantis says we need more players with pace & creativity to assist Cooney & Griffen.

[comrade]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Unless their roles change dramatically, Cross and Boyd can't play in the same team together. Same with Hargrave and Gilbee.

[LostDoggy]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I'd initially name those I feel are untradeable, everyone else up for consideration (depending on what's on offer).

Those I wouldn't trade:

Grant, Murphy, Higgins, Ward, Hudson, Griffen, Cooney, Jones, Roughead, Hall, Wood, Lake, Morris & Picken. I'd obviously have Harbrow on that list too if it wasn't for GC17.

There are youngsters such as Howard, Tutt, Prato & Cordy that you just wouldn't consider trading as we really don't know at this stage what they offer.

My worry is our one paced midfielders; Cross, Boyd, Reid, Ward, Libba & Wallis. As Mantis says we need more players with pace & creativity to assist Cooney & Griffen.

I know it's only early stages, but Hooper could possibly be that player. More game time for him in the seniors next season, with some stints through the middle, will add plenty of speed & possibly creativity to the midfield.

I know it could be a long shot, but it's somewhere we could find a bit of pace.

Also, if Josh Hill could have big pre season & work hard on a few areas of his game. We could plonk him on a wing & leave him there, will add dash & creativity out wide once the guys like Ward, Reid, Cross etc... get it out.

[Mantis]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Come rd 1 next year I would hope that the shell of the team looks like this:

B: Morris, Lake, ***
HB: Wood, Williams, Murphy
C: Griffen, Ward, Picken
HF: Higgins, Jones, Grant
F: ***, Hall, ***
R: Hudson, Cross, Cooney

Int: Reid, ***, Roughead, ***

The rest can fight for the other spots.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

What draft picks might we get for Boyd, Mantis?

I seriously think trading one of those premium, on the slow side, mids might be a very good idea - however I wouldn't want it to be the sort of trade that rips a club apart like Brisbane are currently experiencing.

I'd also expect to see Addison stay in that side, and I'd almost throw him into a forward pocket spot. Yes not super quick, but his over head marking and willingness to do anything to lock the ball in is important - he can be the new version of Hahn that fits in the Hall-based forward line.

I'm seriously a fan of your thinking, and believe that we need to make a few of these decisions. I really like the look of that teams ability to get the job done defensively.

One or two more young speedsters, one who can play a crumbing role, and we're looking OK, but we are going to struggle a bit for depth next year unless a few things go right.

[Hotdog60]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Come rd 1 next year I would hope that the shell of the team looks like this:

B: Morris, Lake, ***
HB: Wood, Williams, Murphy
C: Griffen, Ward, Picken
HF: Higgins, Jones, Grant
F: ***, Hall, ***
R: Hudson, Cross, Cooney

Int: Reid, ***, Roughead, ***

The rest can fight for the other spots.

On paper that looks like the right mix, if Moles could find another level he could join the bench, we need some good pace to support Coons and Griffen.

I think for the preservation of Murphy his should stay at half back.

[Mantis]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

What draft picks might we get for Boyd, Mantis?

I seriously think trading one of those premium, on the slow side, mids might be a very good idea - however I wouldn't want it to be the sort of trade that rips a club apart like Brisbane are currently experiencing.

I'd also expect to see Addison stay in that side, and I'd almost throw him into a forward pocket spot. Yes not super quick, but his over head marking and willingness to do anything to lock the ball in is important - he can be the new version of Hahn that fits in the Hall-based forward line.

I'm seriously a fan of your thinking, and believe that we need to make a few of these decisions. I really like the look of that teams ability to get the job done defensively.

One or two more young speedsters, one who can play a crumbing role, and we're looking OK, but we are going to struggle a bit for depth next year unless a few things go right.

I am not saying he should be traded, I am saying that he shouldn't be an automatic selection.

He has flaws in his game which have been shown up big time over the past 6 weeks and they need to be rectified.

If he was to be traded I would hope to receive a pick from 8 to 12.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I am not saying he should be traded, I am saying that he shouldn't be an automatic selection.

He has flaws in his game which have been shown up big time over the past 6 weeks and they need to be rectified.

If he was to be traded I would hope to receive a pick from 8 to 12.

Agree with that to a certain extent - but he would be an automatic selection at quite a few/most of the other clubs and I'm not convinced he won't be at the Dogs next year either (in the MC's eyes).

If the MC think that Ward and Reid and Libba can do the job, then I say it's time to seriously weigh up the option to trade whilst value is high.

[Hotdog60]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I am not saying he should be traded, I am saying that he shouldn't be an automatic selection.

He has flaws in his game which have been shown up big time over the past 6 weeks and they need to be rectified.

If he was to be traded I would hope to receive a pick from 8 to 12.

Boyd is a player that needs to re-invent himself or sit down for a few days and watch his turn overs from the season. You can't knock the guys endeavor as he busts a gut day in day out but at times he has been un-accountable and had poor disposal.

I would keep him, remember how people felt last year when he said "I not here to make friends, I here to win a premiership". He was lined up as our next captain, roll forward to the end of this season opinions have changed.

He needs to find a new role within the team.

[Sedat]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

He has flaws in his game which have been shown up big time over the past 6 weeks and they need to be rectified.

He was dreadful again last night, and predictably the media just looked at the stats sheet and put him in our best players. Hayes absolutely tore him another new one last night, to sit alongside the new ones torn by Ablett and Swan in the last 5 weeks. The errant handball early in the 2nd qtr gave gifted St Kilda a goal when they were not looking like it, and his field kicking was again sub-par. The less said about his defensive chasing and efforts when we didn't have the ball, the better.

Cross at least understands the need to clamp down on an opponent from time to time. Boyd has shown a complete disregard for his direct opponent and has done for some time. The top 4 coaches wet themselves laughing whenever we try and go head to head with Boyd and their best mids - guaranteed BOG for Boyd's opponent every time.

He will probably be our next captain

[The Pie Man]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Boyd is a player that needs to re-invent himself or sit down for a few days and watch his turn overs from the season. You can't knock the guys endeavor as he busts a gut day in day out but at times he has been un-accountable and had poor disposal.

I would keep him, remember how people felt last year when he said "I not here to make friends, I here to win a premiership". He was lined up as our next captain, roll forward to the end of this season opinions have changed.

He needs to find a new role within the team.

If he's (forgive me for using this term) fair dinkum about that in bold, he'll be bitterly disappointed in his contribution in 2010 and he needs to challenge & confront himself about his deficiencies and the sand-bag effect that has on a group striving for the flag he wants. We get killed on turnovers, and he's a machine at providing them.

I hope I'm not seen being disrespectful just because I am angry - I acknowledge he's put his head over it for us and all that, but this is where he's at in my eyes.

[Desipura]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Lets be realistic here, Boyd will never be put up for trade. We all know that so let move on.
We need a player who can carry the ball with pace. The more I think about it, the more I believe we have to make a play for Tambling.
Look at the Geelong model, they had Byrnes, Varcoe and Stokes who can run and carry with pace. Not all players can be inside players.

We need another tall backman, if nothing else at least for insurance. Whether it be a mature aged from the lower leagues or from another club.
Although not too excited by Spangher, there may be nothing else on offer. He at least provides some run out of the backline, more of a Hargrave type. Tarrant is 30yo and would cost too much.

Eade says we are going to be active, lets do it, I am watching with a great deal of interest this years trading period.
With GC coming in, I think there will be more deals done than ever.

I would put Minson up for trade whilst he has value as I do not see any big upside to his game. If the right offer came along I would do it without hesitation. The Crows & Power are short of ruckman.
We could pick up a mature aged ruckman and the difference between him and Wil wont be that significant.
If the MC do not see a future for Hill (which looks that way) trade him. It seems a McKinley/Hill trade is fair for both teams and I would not be surprised if this deal is done.

Everitt to St Kilda or Carlton. St Kilda offered us a 1st round last year, will they do it again?
If Carlton are also keen on him (like last year) demand either an early pick or one of their misquito fleet.
Alwyn Davey or a Leeroy Jetta should be targets if they are available.

We have a talented list that needs some depth in some areas.
I expect the likes of Reid, Roughy, Jones, Wood to play alot more games next year.
Libba, Wallis and Howard may get a sniff as well.

[Missing Dog]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I really believe we should do everything possible to Get Sherman from Brisbane will add speed to our midfield and helpout up forward