2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

[Greystache]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Because he's 25 and Hooper is 19. Moles is as good as he is going to get. He may develop further in some areas but we pretty much know what we're getting.

Hooper is an unknown, young, quick and apparently goal savvy. I don't think he is the next messiah but he is a more exciting prospect than Moles is IMO.

On the contrary the club believes Moles has a massive upside, the problem is he suffers badly with pre-game nerves. He gets so wound up before a game he's mentally exhausted before the first bounce. They feel if we can work with him to overcome this he could become an A grade midfielder.

[Mofra]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I cant get a handle on Everitt, but I do know that when Hargrave, Hall, Lake and Morris are starting to fade, we will be gald he is around. Would we be in a better or worse position today if Everitt had played every game Hahn played this year?

I'm not sold on Everitt, although I would have prefered him to Hahn for much of the season as the tallish target in the forward 6 - Roughy going forward, the development of Grant and Jones getting games has rendered Hahn (sadly) redundant.
In terms of defence I haven't shut the book on Tiller just yet, and I'll start the alternating chorus of Faulks (with the reply "no, Shangher!") gladly

[Bornadog]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

On the contrary the club believes Moles has a massive upside, the problem is he suffers badly with pre-game nerves. He gets so wound up before a game he's mentally exhausted before the first bounce. They feel if we can work with him to overcome this he could become an A grade midfielder.

You can tell he is the nervous type, he tends to hurry his disposal, yet when he takes his time he can give it a real roost.

[Greystache]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

You can tell he is the nervous type, he tends to hurry his disposal, yet when he takes his time he can give it a real roost.

To be honest I hadn't really noticed. I heard it from one of the match committee

[stefoid]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

One thing Collingwood do is they don't have pure flankers, these guys all get rotated through the midfield.

yes more than most. Obviously guys like obrien, maxwell, shaw, toovey, play their defensive flanks, but their forward flankers tend to take their turn in the midfield.

We can do a similar thing with guys like higgins, cooney, gia, picken... players with a bit of pace and/or forward craft.

Addison, I cant get a handle on just now. I think for his development, it would be better for him to be added to the 'backup' list in the short term, where he can continue to evolve as a midfield option. Im sure if he continues to improve his disposal and decision making, his time will come when our older midfielders are fading.

[Desipura]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

You can tell he is the nervous type, he tends to hurry his disposal, yet when he takes his time he can give it a real roost.

It always puzzled me why he would hit a player lace out, then butcher it other times.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Addison, I cant get a handle on just now. I think for his development, it would be better for him to be added to the 'backup' list in the short term, where he can continue to evolve as a midfield option. Im sure if he continues to improve his disposal and decision making, his time will come when our older midfielders are fading.

I have seen him play more in the midfield at Willi, so the club must think he can develop into a role like that. I think a defensive forward is ideal for him.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

On the contrary the club believes Moles has a massive upside, the problem is he suffers badly with pre-game nerves. He gets so wound up before a game he's mentally exhausted before the first bounce. They feel if we can work with him to overcome this he could become an A grade midfielder.

I'd like to see how Moles goes as a small lock-down defender - Tim Callan with skill if you like.

[Mofra]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I'd like to see how Moles goes as a small lock-down defender - Tim Callan with skill if you like.

Does he have the agility? He'd probably tick every other box.

[Greystache]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I'd like to see how Moles goes as a small lock-down defender - Tim Callan with skill if you like.

Maybe, but if he's a mess before a game when he's playing in the midfield I would expect that to be magnified if he knew he had a defensive role to play.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Maybe, but if he's a mess before a game when he's playing in the midfield I would expect that to be magnified if he knew he had a defensive role to play.

Sit him next to Lake and Cooney, that should help him calm down and take it easy.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Hargrave is an example of a versatile, flexible footballer who does nothing very well but everything just okay. "Tried hard" is the report about every week on him. This lark about him playing out of his height and weight division, getting forward to snag a running goal from time to time, is getting a bit old for mine. He lacks poise and often clangers us into danger. I would not mind seeing him packed off to Richmond or Freo while there is still time, and giving his place to a young developing genuine defender.

Agreed. I actually have thought he might benefit from a move up to the wing. Very hard to m atch up on, and plays much better when he can get out in open space.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Less emphasis must be placed on the senior group and more faith given to the younger guys, look at the Collingwood model, they have been able to replace Medhurst, Lockyer, Frasier, Davis and Presti at times this year when form was substandard. We should be able to make Hahn, Gilbee, Boyd, Hargrave etc accountable and put pressure on their spots by having faith in fellas like Everitt (if he stays), Reid, Ward, Hooper and the rest of the young brigade with senior games. From next year we should abolish the current 'credits' selection system that Eade seems to hold and make all 22 spots open based solely on performance.

Thought I was reading my own post from a different forum!!!!! To true. If our MC was at Collingwood, they would still have Medhurst, Lockyer and Fraser playing, and they would have finished 4th. Time to take the responsibility of being matchwinners away from Hargreaves, Gilbee, Cross and Boyd, and pass it on. For us to win a premiership, those named need to play well, but out matchwinners will be Cooney, Griffin, Grant, Everett, Jones.

[Mofra]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Thought I was reading my own post from a different forum!!!!! To true. If our MC was at Collingwood, they would still have Medhurst, Lockyer and Fraser playing, and they would have finished 4th. Time to take the responsibility of being matchwinners away from Hargreaves, Gilbee, Cross and Boyd, and pass it on. For us to win a premiership, those named need to play well, but out matchwinners will be Cooney, Griffin, Grant, Everett, Jones.

Collingwood had young guys pushing hard for selection, we didn't have as many.
The young guys we had that pushed for selection were Grant early in the season, Wood, Roughy when fit, Jones, DFA and Moles. Grant & Wood are now best 22, Moles not quite there but the club thinks he could be a player, and Jones looked raw but promising and coudl feasibly play the bulk of next year at AFL level. DFA was one of our better players during the finals and possibly stormed his way into best 22 calculations on the back of a few games of football, and Roughy cam close to taking out Minson's no2 ruckman spot (and may well have it come round 1 next year).
Hooper was close as well, debuted, and will probably play a senior football next year.

We have been playing kids, but Collingwood's group are hitting the 50 game mark. Our next generation are a season or two behind that, and not as big a proportion of the club.

[Mantis]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

We have been playing kids, but Collingwood's group are hitting the 50 game mark. Our next generation are a season or two behind that, and not as big a proportion of the club.

Collingwood had 7 players in last weeks PF that have played under 50 games, that's quite a lot. I would think besides Blair most of these would be atleast 2nd year players.

It would be interesting to know how many of these played in the finals last year when they were off the pace. In my mind it was quite a few and perhaps throwing these guys too the wolves last year has fast tracked their development.

Hopefully we see a rise in performance from the likes of Grant, Wood and Hooper as they have seen what's required to play 'finals footy'. For the same reason it would have been great to give Jones and Roughy a game, but I guess Roughy's shoulder problems meant it wasn't feasible.