Is Modern Footy Boring!

[1eyedog]

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Yeah watched many games in the 70s and 80s in the wind and rain and mud at Western Oval. One of my favourites was 1985 when we beat the hawks in the slosh. Super's big torp with a wet and muddy ball won us the game.

Indeed. Those conditions separarted the men from the boys. remember Hawk being a class above everyone else when it got sloppy.

It takes good players in trying conditions to get teams over the line. For me last Friday night those two players were Wojo for his ability to break lines (his goal was inspirational to the team) and Riewoldt, who nearly won the Saints the game. Last Friday was if nothing else an interesting game of football, two warriors circling each other with the knowledge that neither warrior was really good enough to beat the other. Both were evenly matched and they just bludgeoned each other. That Geelong could win with no Ablett, Ling, Chapman or Selwood showed a lot of character to me. That club earned more brownie points with me last Friday night than any home and away season win I have seen them play (and I'm originally from Geelong).

As an anaology to highly skilled and fast paced tempo footy with static footy, I like draughts but I also like chess.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Indeed. Those conditions separarted the men from the boys. remember Hawk being a class above everyone else when it got sloppy.

It takes good players in trying conditions to get teams over the line. For me last Friday night those two players were Wojo for his ability to break lines (his goal was inspirational to the team) and Riewoldt, who nearly won the Saints the game. Last Friday was if nothing else an interesting game of football, two warriors circling each other with the knowledge that neither warrior was really good enough to beat the other. Both were evenly matched and they just bludgeoned each other. That Geelong could win with no Ablett, Ling, Chapman or Selwood showed a lot of character to me. That club earned more brownie points with me last Friday night than any home and away season win I have seen them play (and I'm originally from Geelong).

As an anaology to highly skilled and fast paced tempo footy with static footy, I like draughts but I also like chess.

I thought it was more like Muhammad Ali vs. the Japanese wrestler who lay on his back and tried to kick Ali in the shins.

[Twodogs]

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My pet hate with rules ATM is the deliberate out of bounds rule. If a player kicks the ball 40-50 metres and the ball rolls OOB then how can the unpire judge what the player's intent was?

It happened to Dale Morris on sunday. He kicked the ball and it rollled out of bounds. Immediatly the Essendon players all ran to the field umpire making the signal for a free kick and sure enough the umpire played it. Morris' kick went near enough to half a dozen players for them to take possesson but because none of them did he was penalised.

Why cant we let defender's defend?

[EasternWest]

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My pet hate with rules ATM is the deliberate out of bounds rule. If a player kicks the ball 40-50 metres and the ball rolls OOB then how can the unpire judge what the player's intent was?

It happened to Dale Morris on sunday. He kicked the ball and it rollled out of bounds. Immediatly the Essendon players all ran to the field umpire making the signal for a free kick and sure enough the umpire played it. Morris' kick went near enough to half a dozen players for them to take possesson but because none of them did he was penalised.

Why cant we let defender's defend?

I still think about Akermanis in the 2009 PF. Booted it 60 metres clear from defense, and it ran over the line and he got pinged for it. No question it was deliberate, but he had nowhere else to go.

We allow players under pressure to rush behinds. Why can't a player under pressure, with no other realistic option than to boot it forwards, go for the line?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I still think about Akermanis in the 2009 PF. Booted it 60 metres clear from defense, and it ran over the line and he got pinged for it. No question it was deliberate, but he had nowhere else to go.

We allow players under pressure to rush behinds. Why can't a player under pressure, with no other realistic option than to boot it forwards, go for the line?

I saw Scott West in a game v St. Kilda where he was running out of D50 and ahead of him were 3 St. Kilda players. West kicked a 60m torp (on the run) that landed between them on it's point and rolled end-over-end another 20m and came to rest 1 foot over the boundary. Yep, he got done for it.

It was either the most atonishing piece of skill to pull it off or it was just a kick and hope. If it was the former it is a disgrace that we would punish such skill; if it was the latter, how could it be intentional?


Surely when you are caught against the boundary, getting yardage for your team is a good thing?

[EasternWest]

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I saw Scott West in a game v St. Kilda where he was running out of D50 and ahead of him were 3 St. Kilda players. West kicked a 60m torp (on the run) that landed between them on it's point and rolled end-over-end another 20m and came to rest 1 foot over the boundary. Yep, he got done for it.

It was either the most atonishing piece of skill to pull it off or it was just a kick and hope. If it was the former it is a disgrace that we would punish such skill; if it was the latter, how could it be intentional?


Surely when you are caught against the boundary, getting yardage for your team is a good thing?

My thoughts exactly.

[1eyedog]

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I thought it was more like Muhammad Ali vs. the Japanese wrestler who lay on his back and tried to kick Ali in the shins.

That's very good

[LostDoggy]

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I still think about Akermanis in the 2009 PF. Booted it 60 metres clear from defense, and it ran over the line and he got pinged for it. No question it was deliberate, but he had nowhere else to go.

We allow players under pressure to rush behinds. Why can't a player under pressure, with no other realistic option than to boot it forwards, go for the line?

There is the answer! The AFL need a min distance rule like marking the ball or bounce distance for how far a defenceive kick can travel before going out of bounds. Provided it is delivered to no one.

[mjp]

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I still think about Akermanis in the 2009 PF. Booted it 60 metres clear from defense, and it ran over the line and he got pinged for it. No question it was deliberate, but he had nowhere else to go.

We allow players under pressure to rush behinds. Why can't a player under pressure, with no other realistic option than to boot it forwards, go for the line?

But you admit it was deliberate - and it was paid as deliberate...I don't get your argument.

Getting the ball over the line is still an advantage to the defending team as long as they chase and stand the mark...it slows things down and allows the opposition to be manned up.

Kicking it out is still an option, but you might get pinged for it. Keeping it IN is another realistic option - but of course with a potentially worse outcome.

[EasternWest]

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But you admit it was deliberate - and it was paid as deliberate...I don't get your argument.

Getting the ball over the line is still an advantage to the defending team as long as they chase and stand the mark...it slows things down and allows the opposition to be manned up.

Kicking it out is still an option, but you might get pinged for it. Keeping it IN is another realistic option - but of course with a potentially worse outcome.

And how many times are there when clearly deliberate OOB's aren't called? Can I ask if you (if you remember the incident) thought Aker was hard done by on that one?

The rule as it stands leaves no room for a player with no options to seek that sanctuary, when they should be able to.

I'm not saying any line should be an option, but in cases such as that, when there's clearly nowhere to go, and the distance gained is substantial, then it should be thrown in.

[Bornadog]

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And how many times are there when clearly deliberate OOB's aren't called? Can I ask if you (if you remember the incident) thought Aker was hard done by on that one?

The rule as it stands leaves no room for a player with no options to seek that sanctuary, when they should be able to.

I'm not saying any line should be an option, but in cases such as that, when there's clearly nowhere to go, and the distance gained is substantial, then it should be thrown in.

Absolutely agree with you.

How about when the ball is kicked to a contest and the defender punches the ball out of bounce. Its never called deliberate, but we all know it is deliberate. The whole rule is another joke. That kick by Aker in the prelim cost us a goal as the ball was then taken all the way down and Reivolting kicked a goal.