Round #7 Match Committee

[Ozza]

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Hill simply has to be dropped - thats a non-negotiable. From what I observed - the 21 other blokes turned up with the right mindset - even if some didn't play well - but their appeared up for the game and tried to carry out a specific game plan. Hill didn't want to be there - and his dropped marks and feeble efforts really deflated us.

Its hard to justify Roughead staying in. But if the MC see it that Hudson and Minson definitely can not be in the same side - then I guess he and Minson both have to stay as the ruck combo.

Out: Hill, Addison
In: Higgins, Gia.

[Ozza]

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What's the problem with Roughead? Is it easily fixable? I remember seeing him in the Williamstown prelim last year vs Preston now at Adelaide Jacobs and was very concerned in how easily he was beaten. Is it just a core strength issue?

He really struggled in the wet, and he was easily pushed off the contest. To me, he looked intimdated.

[chef]

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Perhaps some lateral thinking before we write the concept off completely...

why not:

Minson rucks 66%
Hudson rucks 34%

Hudson subbed towards end of third qtr and runner comes on (like today).

Hudson appears to blow up pretty quick and only plays around 75% game time anyway. So would be suggesting Hudson plays much of the game in the ruck or on the bench as a sub or an I/C, with only limited time forward.

And what if we get an injury?

[Mofra]

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Eade said Hudosn would probably return and Gia is a definite. Said Hall and Higgins another week.

Given Minson's from, can Hudson play the second ruck role? Only a little tongue in cheek - Minson obviously wants to steal Hudson's mantle and seems to be doing everything in his power to do it.

Gia will help - our F50 entries have been terrible for a while now and he's the no 1 assist player in the AFL. Hopefully he gives us the luxury of keeping Murphy on the HB line.

Jones should stay in - he runs and leads like a natural forward, and will reward us in time.

[Mantis]

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Jones should stay in - he runs and leads like a natural forward, and will reward us in time.

We just have to learn to kick it to him.

I was listening to the coverage on SEN for a bit and there was a bit of play in the 2nd qtr that made me sit up and listen.

The play was described that Cooney had the ball and instead of honouring a good lead from Jones he by-passed him and kicked it to a 50:50 which involved Griffen.

Terry Wallace made the point that it looked as though Cooney saw who it was and didn't kick it him as he didn't trust him.

Scott Lucas made the point that you kick it to the jumper, not the person in the jumper.

Both followed up that Jones has some great raw skills which could make him a very good player in years to come, but he needs experience and the only way he will get it is if we use him. Sure he will make mistakes, but there will be positives and good bits of play which he will build on.

[Bornadog]

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Both followed up that Jones has some great raw skills which could make him a very good player in years to come, but he needs experience and the only way he will get it is if we use him. Sure he will make mistakes, but there will be positives and good bits of play which he will build on.

Other than his poor kicking, I thought he did very well with the limited opportunities.

[Hotdog60]

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We just have to learn to kick it to him.

I was listening to the coverage on SEN for a bit and there was a bit of play in the 2nd qtr that made me sit up and listen.

The play was described that Cooney had the ball and instead of honouring a good lead from Jones he by-passed him and kicked it to a 50:50 which involved Griffen.

Terry Wallace made the point that it looked as though Cooney saw who it was and didn't kick it him as he didn't trust him.

Scott Lucas made the point that you kick it to the jumper, not the person in the jumper.

Both followed up that Jones has some great raw skills which could make him a very good player in years to come, but he needs experience and the only way he will get it is if we use him. Sure he will make mistakes, but there will be positives and good bits of play which he will build on.

Could the Dogs have a problem of mates looking for mates, which may account for our seemly poor decision making.

[Sedat]

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We just have to learn to kick it to him.

I was listening to the coverage on SEN for a bit and there was a bit of play in the 2nd qtr that made me sit up and listen.

The play was described that Cooney had the ball and instead of honouring a good lead from Jones he by-passed him and kicked it to a 50:50 which involved Griffen.

Terry Wallace made the point that it looked as though Cooney saw who it was and didn't kick it him as he didn't trust him.

Scott Lucas made the point that you kick it to the jumper, not the person in the jumper.

Both followed up that Jones has some great raw skills which could make him a very good player in years to come, but he needs experience and the only way he will get it is if we use him. Sure he will make mistakes, but there will be positives and good bits of play which he will build on.

I agree with the sentiment, but Jones' kicking technique is so poor that he is no guarantee from the goal square to convert. Jones is like the golfer that can effortlessly smoke a tee shot 300 metres down the middle of the fairway but can't sink a putt to save himself. And his kicking around the ground is just as poor as his set-shot kicking - that kick into the man on the mark in the 2nd qtr was so poorly executed that he almost fresh-aired it.

Unless he does some serious remedial work on his kicking technique, he is going to excite and frustrate us in equal doses. Having said that, he is absolutely worth persisting with as he is a natural forward, is quick off the mark, has great hands and has a terrific defensive work ethic and mindset. But I have seen nothing in any of his games thusfar to suggest he is anything other than a poor decision maker and executor by foot.

[Mantis]

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Unless he does some serious remedial work on his kicking technique, he is going to excite and frustrate us in equal doses. Having said that, he is absolutely worth persisting with as he is a natural forward, is quick off the mark, has great hands and has a terrific defensive work ethic and mindset. But I have seen nothing in any of his games thusfar to suggest he is anything other than a poor decision maker and executor by foot.

I would love to know what we are doing to help improve his kicking.

I watched a recovery session the other week and at the start of this session we had 10 or 15 minutes of goal kicking practice. Through this session not one coach or player was looking to help Jones who was spraying them all over the place. I didn't see Jones seek help either.

Now taking this as an isolated session may mean he is getting help in other sessions, but I would have liked have seen the coaches putting time into a player who obviously needs some help.

[stefoid]

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I would play Jones as long as he is fit. he will have good games and bad games just like any youngster, but its not as like we have Wayne Carey in the wings to come in for him.

Just knowing that the MC is going to back him in for an extended run could improve his confidence.

Roughhead, Im not sure. Im not sure if he can physically stand up to the ruck at this stage for extended periods, and Im not sure we can afford to be running two apprentice tall forwards in the same team, so I would probably go with the minson and hudson combo this year, as much as possible. with a view to Roughhead playing 22+ games next year.

[LostDoggy]

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Other than his poor kicking, I thought he did very well with the limited opportunities.

I agree, Jones must stay in.

In: Hudson, Gia
Out: Roughy, Hill

Sorry Josh you can't have that attitude out on the field. Where's your head at mate?

Hudson 1st ruck, Minson forward. Hudson subbed in the third for a runner and Will takes over. Simple really...

Sam Reid shouldn't be far off either.

[chef]

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I agree, Jones must stay in.

In: Hudson, Gia
Out: Roughy, Hill

Sorry Josh you can't have that attitude out on the field. Where's your head at mate?

Hudson 1st ruck, Minson forward. Hudson subbed in the third for a runner and Will takes over. Simple really...

Sam Reid shouldn't be far off either.

And if we get an early injury?

[Ozza]

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I agree, Jones must stay in.

In: Hudson, Gia
Out: Roughy, Hill

Sorry Josh you can't have that attitude out on the field. Where's your head at mate?

Hudson 1st ruck, Minson forward. Hudson subbed in the third for a runner and Will takes over. Simple really...

Sam Reid shouldn't be far off either.

Interested with why Sam Reid shouldn't be far off? Where would he play?

Surely we have more than our fair share of one paced mids?

[Bornadog]

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I know Skinner hasn't been setting the world on fire, but can he come in as a bit of an X factor. Sometimes players in the reserves just can't improve further as the delivery and opportunities in the forward line are not there.

[chef]

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I know Skinner hasn't been setting the world on fire, but can he come in as a bit of an X factor. Sometimes players in the reserves just can't improve further as the delivery and opportunities in the forward line are not there.

Is he fit enough yet to run out a full game?