Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

I would also think either Eade has a plan to beat the press (Bomber and WC are the teams we have played that have put it in place, and have smashed us) and:

a - The players won't or can't implement it
b - His plan is not a good plan

Either way the responsibility is Eade's to address

It's not so much the execution/combat of the press that I am worried about, it's that we seem to have little tactical depth and/or aren't motivated.

Whatever it is, I agree, it's Eade's responsibility.

[Doc26]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Our leadership across the board should be called to account. There appears a lack of a strong leadership culture at our Club both within our playing group and that which makes up our supporting roles. Under pressure we are brittle and too often fail on the big stage when it's our turn to make a stand such as that which we saw with today's result, such as that which we've painfully seen under the spotlight in big games, in big finals.

It is the culture, the what we stand for, that needs attention, not so much the rather insignificant shuffling of player deck chairs such as the Out Stack In Hill / Addison type calls each week. The leadership DNA running through the Club presently is what I would be paying more attention to as we run the serious risk of passing the genes onto our younger brigade coming through and the probability of taking us another eternity to grab a premiership.

[Mantis]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

So where is Mantis, what have you got to say about a top four team last year, being smashed by the wooden spooners from last year???? More defensive excuses I suppose.

Love Rocket, he has fulfilled his purpose but it is time to go. The recruitment team needs to be reviewed, we recruit Everett and the Tigers recruit Riewoldt after our pick.

The development of our players is behind every other team, they are skinny, lacking in confidence, lacking in leadership, and until supporters like Mantis stop support mediocrity, we will always be the support act for the star teams.

Here I am.

I won't answer to the rest of your ramblings, but from my understanding the person who was directly responsible for the recruitment of Everitt was Scott Clayton who has since left the club.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

To Rocket Eade
To quote Neale Daniher who was most likely instrumental in our demise today
"Dont have a bad year in your last year of contract"

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Our leadership across the board should be called to account. There appears a lack of a strong leadership culture at our Club both within our playing group and that which makes up our supporting roles. Under pressure we are brittle and too often fail on the big stage when it's our turn to make a stand such as that which we saw with today's result, such as that which we've painfully seen under the spotlight in big games, in big finals.

It is the culture, the what we stand for, that needs attention, not so much the rather insignificant shuffling of player deck chairs such as the Out Stack In Hill / Addison type calls each week. The leadership DNA running through the Club presently is what I would be paying more attention to as we run the serious risk of passing the genes onto our younger brigade coming through and the probability of taking us another eternity to grab a premiership.

The problem with our leadership group is a number of them are strong and hugely vocal perfectionists when in the security of a meeting room at Whitten oval, but put them on the big stage against a top team and they're among the meekest players on our list. The group needs wholesale changes, and it should start with removing any player who routinely fails to perform against the top sides, eg Higgins, Gia, and Cross.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

I will be delirious if you are right but I think the hard truth is Tommy is no more than a toiler. He misreads the ball in flight, his body work still shows the hallmark of a guy who came to footy late, and his decision making is still poor. His early injuries gave him a mystique of a raw untapped talent that hasn't been justified. I actually think Markovich, though still inexperienced and raw, has gone past Tommy.

It gives me no joy to say it, but I think we've all been overly starry-eyed about what Tom offers, and this has been evident for a while. He is on his best days a serviceable third defender, not the dashing CFB that he promised to be that day in Launceston when he played on Buddy.

Good analysis, that's how I see him too. I really wonder if Williams is a better long term 3rd tall defender than Wood (regardless of Wood's lack of height)

[AndrewP6]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Honestly did you expect anything else?

I went into this game knowing we were going to beaten pretty convincingly. You can throw any excuse out there to defend this team but the fact is we are simply not good enough.

Agree 100%

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Is our season still alive?

If not - do we just rest Cooney for another month or so - get him cherry ripe and not risk his injury further. Do we bother with Hall much more this season?

I still don't think that the ins/outs are what the problem is. They aren't what caused us to get rolled by 100+ points.

I never said the ins and outs caused the result today. All I said was I don't want to read about draft picks from 5 years ago that we missed out on or lets kill the coach or why didn't we draft Pods, because guess what that is in the past and there is nothing we can do about it.

West Coast have beaten us the last 6 or 7 times we have played them and this year they are playing well, especially at home

What I am saying is what do we do now for next week with the players we have.

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[AndrewP6]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Negative Nancys as far as the eye can see ... Same vitriol after every loss ... Predictable

What would you like?

"Yay! We didn't get beaten by 150 points. No one got killed"

Pretty hard to be positive after that tripe.

[Scraggers]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

What would you like?

"Yay! We didn't get beaten by 150 points. No one got killed"

Pretty hard to be positive after that tripe.

I didn't ask for positivity ... I am happy with critisism especially after sitting through that game ... but lets make it constructive instead of destructive.
I understand that supporters are hurting ... I am hurting ... but attacking contributors to this site or calling for blood is not the answer.

What I would like is variety ... how about something different than 'we have to sack Eade'.

[Scraggers]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Mate lived in WA for 10yrs - Coasters are an ordinary group of supporters. But they are maringally better than Pies and Blues fans

Not having a crack but rather stating what is not the answer, do you have an answer...?

Agree about WCE supporters ... the majority really don't understand football at all. They love it when they win, and 'virtually' eat their young when they don't.

Do I have an answer ? I have plenty of theories (like everyone else on WOOF) ... The straight forward answer is no, I don't have an answer, but 'throwing the baby out with the bath water' by sacking the coach is too extreme for a season that I believe is still salvageable; so I would say that we need to stay the course.

The last three years we have finished top four ... lost our first final, and been in a knockout position by week two. I think its pretty obvious that we will not finish top 4 now; but there is still a very good posibility that we will make the finals. The only difference this year in comparison to the last three, is that our first final will be a knockout final.

[Scraggers]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

We did as well...no problem with the WCE supporters though.

Why would they care? They won by 100 + points?

Worst thing was, I was in a corporate box too. I started cheering for the Bulldogs early on in the game (mainly because there was nothing to cheer about for the rest of the game), and thats when the abuse started; it was like they had never had an oppostion supporter sitting in their realm before. By the end of the first quarter, I was the butt of their jokes and every goal the Eagles kicked their cheers and jeers seemed to be directed at me.

[Desipura]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Our leadership across the board should be called to account. There appears a lack of a strong leadership culture at our Club both within our playing group and that which makes up our supporting roles. Under pressure we are brittle and too often fail on the big stage when it's our turn to make a stand such as that which we saw with today's result, such as that which we've painfully seen under the spotlight in big games, in big finals.

It is the culture, the what we stand for, that needs attention, not so much the rather insignificant shuffling of player deck chairs such as the Out Stack In Hill / Addison type calls each week. The leadership DNA running through the Club presently is what I would be paying more attention to as we run the serious risk of passing the genes onto our younger brigade coming through and the probability of taking us another eternity to grab a premiership.

I have been saying this all along, totally agree.

[Chicago1]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

It's Sunday afternoon here and I feel worse now then when I went to sleep 11 hours ago. With my Cubs doing crap too, it's going to be a long summer. If only I really cared about the Bulls...

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

I didn't ask for positivity ... I am happy with critisism especially after sitting through that game ... but lets make it constructive instead of destructive.
I understand that supporters are hurting ... I am hurting ... but attacking contributors to this site or calling for blood is not the answer.

What I would like is variety ... how about something different than 'we have to sack Eade'.

Well said Scraggers, I must admit I avoided the forum last night - sat on the couch licking my wounds! I am hurting like everyone else, but I don't like when we start attacking one another - it's not necessary, coz, hey, we are all on the same side, aren't we? I just wish I had the answers to what the problem is with our boys.....