Round 10 Team

[Bornadog]

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Sorry Bornadog, I missed your 'challenge' first time round. I was only sneaking a quick look at work today and must have missed it.

In the spirit of the new WOOF tradition of reading your own posts from last year and declaring yourself right in hindsight, I took a quick look at my old WOOF posts to see what I was saying about our match committee last year. In hindsight, I was right!

It's actually a good exercise. I thought my frustration with Hahn occurred at around round eighteen last year but I was dismayed with his performance in June.

As to your question on who I would have given a game to if we had have dropped an under-performing senior player to make him earn his spot:

In May, I wanted to see Everett, Wood and Moles.

In June, it was still Everett and Wood plus Roughead and Jones.

In July, I wanted to see Hooper, Jones and Roughead and mentioned Markovic even though I had my doubts about his pace. I also thought that Tim Callan could do a job one week.

In September I was filthy that it had taken so long to play Hooper (they debuted him in a bloody semi final) and thought Jones should have been played as well.

I went to pretty much every Willy game at Burbank last year so I must have thought that those guys could offer something.

In 2010, Wood played 11, Roughead played 8 and Jones only played 5. All three would have been better served with more exposure to senior football last year.

Please understand that when I say we should drop an out of form senior player, it is so they can find form and come back to the seniors improved; it isn't an omission for life. Could our reserves have been able to accommodate the demotion for a couple of weeks of one of Eade's Untouchables when they no longer ticked the 'form and fitness' criteria that Eade himself set out?

Yeah, I think so.

Good Post, I like the way you backed it up.

However, when I look back in hindsight, I think all the players you listed probably played about the right amount of games for debut season. Maybe Hooper should have been tried a little earlier and from what I saw of Markovic, I thought he was lucky to ever make AFL grade.

Just before the finals, Eade challenged several young players, including Everrit and told them there was a spot in the finals if they can play well against Essendon, unfortunately they didn't perform. Everitt's attitude at training was woeful and we see this weekend he was dropped.

Some posters have said we should have played Jones instead of Hahn in the finals. Let me ask this, would you go into a final with a player that was barely getting 10 touches a game or go with a true and tried performer?

We can all be very critical of the MC but we don't seem to give credit where credit is due. In the past two years we have introduced over ten new players into the team. To me this is a rebuild or refresher for the whole team.

Some people criticize me for not bagging the coach, well the reason I don't bag the coach or MC often is I don't have insight into what happens at training or knowledge of the players injuries, conditions etc or knowledge of the instructions they are given in a game.

[Mofra]

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Just before the finals, Eade challenged several young players, including Everrit and told them there was a spot in the finals if they can play well against Essendon, unfortunately they didn't perform. Everitt's attitude at training was woeful and we see this weekend he was dropped.

Some posters have said we should have played Jones instead of Hahn in the finals. Let me ask this, would you go into a final with a player that was barely getting 10 touches a game or go with a true and tried performer?

People tend to forget Jones "showed a bit" but was woeful against Essendon and not that much better the game before.
If he had performed, he would have played finals. Ditto Everitt, who I still don't rate as a footballer (jack of all trades, master of none).

I will agree that Wood could have gotten games earlier, and Hooper should have played a couple of season games - neither of them were likely to have taken Hahn's spot though.

[Topdog]

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The development thing doesn't wash with me either in finals.

We were playing to win the league last year.

[GVGjr]

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Does anyone else wonder if this was the plan all along ie bringing back lake? Surely Markovich was the logical late inclusion if a defender pulled out with injury? Has this been a ruse to deflect some of the fuss and fanfare that may have surrounded a Thursday announcement of Brian returning?

Maybe I'm dreaming up conspiracy theories but I wonder...

[Bornadog]

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Does anyone else wonder if this was the plan all along ie bringing back lake? Surely Markovich was the logical late inclusion if a defender pulled out with injury? Has this been a ruse to deflect some of the fuss and fanfare that may have surrounded a Thursday announcement of Brian returning?

Maybe I'm dreaming up conspiracy theories but I wonder...

Wouldn't be surprised at all, but hey, if you can somehow get one up on the opposition some how, why not. It only effects things like Dream Team so no harm done.

[G-Mo77]

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Wouldn't be surprised at all, but hey, if you can somehow get one up on the opposition some how, why not. It only effects things like Dream Team so no harm done.

How did we get one up on them? There is plenty of notice for Hawthorn to prepare for the late inclusions. If anything it shows a weak desperation on our part if that is the ploy. If Lake was right to go then name him, how hard is that?

[Bornadog]

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How did we get one up on them? There is plenty of notice for Hawthorn to prepare for the late inclusions. If anything it shows a weak desperation on our part if that is the ploy. If Lake was right to go then name him, how hard is that?

They didn't need to name the final team until after training today.

[jazzadogs]

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So what does that make the final changes?

In: Lake, Reid, Wallis, Howard, Hill, Hall
Out: Hudson, Hargrave, Moles, Stack, Grant, Markovic

Not overly happy to see Lake in, given most reports from posters seemed to suggest that he still wasn't 100% committed last week. Really hope he proves everyone wrong and gets back to his best. I miss seeing the ball kicked to a contest in our Def50 and not being worried, because I knew Brian would get there.

Only other concern is the Stack/Hill seesaw. Doesn't seem any real point to it.

Disappointed to see Hargrave out again, hopefully it's not for long. Injury management doesn't seem a strong suit down at the Dogs.

[Topdog]

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So what does that make the final changes?

In: Lake, Reid, Wallis, Howard, Hill, Hall
Out: Hudson, Hargrave(inj), Moles(inj), Stack, Grant, Markovic

So besides injuries 3 kids got dropped and 1 experienced player.

[azabob]

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So besides injuries 3 kids got dropped and 1 experienced player.

Yep, understand injuries but Im still disappointed Gilbee and Higgins are playing.

Gilbee has been in poor form bar one week for sometime and when was the last time Higgins saw out four solid quarters?

[JohnGentStand]

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'So besides injuries 3 kids got dropped and 1 experienced player. '

is that glass half empty topdog?

didnt 3 kids come in...?

Stoked to see Lake in, we cant go anywhere this year without him.

[Scorlibo]

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So besides injuries 3 kids got dropped and 1 experienced player.

4 poor performers were dropped. I cannot understand why everyone is so determined to drop the senior players.

Yep, understand injuries but Im still disappointed Gilbee and Higgins are playing.

Gilbee has been in poor form bar one week for sometime and when was the last time Higgins saw out four solid quarters?

Re: Higgins,

Round 1 vs Essendon, he was one of our best players among a fairly ordinary bunch.
Round 2 vs Brisbane, he was again one of our best with 23 touches and 3 goals.
Round 3 vs Gold Coast, one of our very best with 32 disposals and 1.4.
Round 5 vs Fremantle, quietish for three quarters before turning it on in the last quarter to nearly get us over the line - 25 touches and a goal.

So you'd reckon he's had 3 games where he's seen out four quarters, and four good games. Sounds good to me.

Re: Gilbee,

Round 3 vs Gold Coast, an admirable return from injury with 21 touches including good use of the footy and 2 goal assists.
Round 5 vs Fremantle, 19 touches, a goal and a solid game.
Round 6 vs Collingwood, a poor game, just 9 touches, but still some scoreboard impact with 1 goal and 2 assists.
Round 7 vs Sydney, a good game, 22 disposals and signs of a return of 2006 Gilbee.
Round 8 vs Richmond, a whopping 10 goals contributed through 6 goals and 4 assists as he adjusted to the role that was asked of him brilliantly.

Again, this strongly conflicts with your perception of poor form before the West Coast game. I suggest you and whoever else is relentless calling for Lindsay and Shaun's heads actually sit back for a moment and look at the facts.

[Doc26]

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Re: Gilbee,

Round 3 vs Gold Coast, an admirable return from injury with 21 touches including good use of the footy and 2 goal assists.
Round 5 vs Fremantle, 19 touches, a goal and a solid game.
Round 6 vs Collingwood, a poor game, just 9 touches, but still some scoreboard impact with 1 goal and 2 assists.
Round 7 vs Sydney, a good game, 22 disposals and signs of a return of 2006 Gilbee.
Round 8 vs Richmond, a whopping 10 goals contributed through 6 goals and 4 assists as he adjusted to the role that was asked of him brilliantly.

Again, this strongly conflicts with your perception of poor form before the West Coast game. I suggest you and whoever else is relentless calling for Lindsay and Shaun's heads actually sit back for a moment and look at the facts.

Scorlibo, the MC obviously do not agree with you re Gilbee as it was they who took his head.
They dropped him with a stern message before Moles went down with the Flu.

[LostDoggy]

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Don't understand the Moles move, not that he's not playing, just why list him in the first place.
The strong word in the week was that he injured his shoulder on Wednesday and was no chance to play.
Even now they say the flu?
I guess there is a chance i'm wrong about the shoulder and it really is the flu, but it doubt it.

[azabob]

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I suggest you and whoever else is relentless calling for Lindsay and Shaun's heads actually sit back for a moment and look at the facts.

RE Higgins: I should have been more clear, I don't think he is match fit. He hasn't played a full game for 5 weeks. Should have been brought back via Williamstown.
Previous to this I thought he has been ok.

RE Gilbee: His for has been ok pre Richmond nothing fantastic regardless of his disposal numbers. Number of touches mean nothing.
DJ should have come in for Moles. We are very very slow in the midfield and now bringing back Gilbee into the mix doesn't exactly help that cause.