Round 10 Team

[Mantis]

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I'm a bit disappointed that we would give Gilbee the boot this week - considering he is one of the blokes who can kick - and has reasonable pace.

He used his best asset (his kicking) just 4 times last week. That simply isn't good enough so he gets replaced by a young player who is looked upon as his long term replacement.

Staggers me that Reid would be added to the squad. Hopefully he doesn't play. We have more than our fair share of slow players that don't use the ball well.

I like what Reid brings to the table, but I agree that he can't play in the same team as Boyd, Wallis, Cross, Ward & Libba.

[GVGjr]

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We have gone from a team that couldn't execute our skills under intense pressure, hence our consistent failure to beat the top teams, to a team that can't execute our skills at all. The drop off in the kicking skills at the club is marked and is one of the main reasons we look so slow. I'm not looking for someone to come into the side who has quick leg speed, I'm looking for someone who can't execute skills under pressure and kick, no one springs to mind. I've been a strong supporter of Eade but we have gone backwards in all areas this year and injuries are not the only reason.

[Cyberdoggie]

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What stand? Do you think Grant and Gilbee were the cause of our 123 point defeat? Were they even in our worst five players on the ground? Worst ten?
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Grant had 1 kick and 4 handballs. Least possesions on the ground and 2 tackles.
Statistically he wasn't too flash.

Gilbee had 4 kicks and 4 handballs,

[Cyberdoggie]

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I like what Reid brings to the table, but I agree that he can't play in the same team as Boyd, Wallis, Cross, Ward & Libba.

Certainly the balance wouldn't be right but he does bring some toughness and he loves to tackle. That is something we could use, especially in the middle.

[Doc26]

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He used his best asset (his kicking) just 4 times last week. That simply isn't good enough so he gets replaced by a young player who is looked upon as his long term replacement.

I like what Reid brings to the table, but I agree that he can't play in the same team as Boyd, Wallis, Cross, Ward & Libba.

Certainly the balance wouldn't be right but he does bring some toughness and he loves to tackle. That is something we could use, especially in the middle.

I'm an advocate of Sam's as well in particular for the hardness he brings.
What concerns me though is that although his mind is willing can his body, in particular his shoulders, stand up to the rigour and intensity that he's built his game on ?

[Cyberdoggie]

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I'm an advocate of Sam's as well in particular for the hardness he brings.
What concerns me though is that although his mind is willing can his body, in particular his shoulders, stand up to the rigour and intensity that he's built his game on ?

Possibly not, but i know he'll have a crack.
I was doubtfull that he could play that style of game after he did both shoulders in the hawks game last year, but he is playing the only way he knows how and i believe he's actually improved on his skill level as well. His hands are much better and his kicking is improving. Sam pretty much lays a tackle at every center bounce, and not just a little one i'm talking one where he brings them to the ground.

[Desipura]

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123 point drubbing and we drop 3 flankers Stack, Grant and Gilbee. Not really making a statement are they?

[The Coon Dog]

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123 point drubbing and we drop 3 flankers Stack, Grant and Gilbee. Not really making a statement are they?

Don't really know until later today. At the moment its just 3, might be more, might not be.

[Mantis]

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123 point drubbing and we drop 3 flankers Stack, Grant and Gilbee. Not really making a statement are they?

These 3 combined for a total of 8 kicks for the match which isn't good enough and it's why they have been dropped.

Sure there could have been a few more ommitted, and quite possibly there will be another 1 or 2 when the team is finalised, but some of our worst players last week had been good over previous weeks and probably deserve the opportunity to redeem themselves.

And where was it said that at the selection table a statement would be made?

[LostDoggy]

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Who should have paid the paid the price for an inept performance?

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1. Shaun Higgins. How many times can he tell the Match Committee that he's right to play only to leave us all hoping that he's still injured so we can explain how bad he was? It's unacceptable and he needs to learn that. He can also prove his fitness at Willy this week.

2. Tom Williams. It wasn't physical capabilities holding him back; it was mental application. He's been around for a while now and he, and the team, need to learn that that lack of effort will not be tolerated.

3. Daniel Cross. Yes he's committed, but we are a team that is too slow across the ground and the worst kicking team in the AFL, and Crossy is the king of both deficiencies. Our midfield was a disgrace and he was in it for most of the day. We need to put games into Wallis and try out one or two others but we can't keep adding one paced players to one of the slowest midfields in the competition. Someone has to make room and it can be him. I know that he's played more defensively this year but the fact is that he hasn't played to his previous standards.

4. Ben Hudson. Age has caught up with him a little this year. He can rip apart a rookie from Richmond but is being demolished by the good ruckmen in the league. Can't imagine that it'd be fun to be a short ruckman against Nic Nat and Cox, but he had to do more and almost gave away more free kicks than he had actual possessions.

5. Daniel Giansiracusa. Is the Vice Captain of the club and has had far too little influence on our games this year. Gia is in the leadership group; Gilbee is not. Gia was hardly awe inspiring against Richmond; Gilbee kicked six. Think that's a coincidence? Hell will freeze over before Eade contemplates dropping this guy.


Those five players aren't the only reasons why we were smashed, but they are senior players (4 of whom are in the leadership group) whose selection this week flies in the face of Eade's famous 'form and fitness' selection criteria. If Eade truly wanted to make a statement this week, then he would have dropped some of the guys who arrive at the ground knowing that they'll be getting a game next week no matter what. Who knows, maybe if he did it would make every other player on that list (and not just the ones Eade thinks are dispensable) a little hungrier because they will be fighting to keep their spot in the team.

[Desipura]

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These 3 combined for a total of 8 kicks for the match which isn't good enough and it's why they have been dropped.

Sure there could have been a few more ommitted, and quite possibly there will be another 1 or 2 when the team is finalised, but some of our worst players last week had been good over previous weeks and probably deserve the opportunity to redeem themselves.

And where was it said that at the selection table a statement would be made?

On the scoreboard

[Desipura]

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[QUOTE=The Rocket;217487][QUOTE=Mantis;217419]

Who should have paid the paid the price for an inept performance?

1. Shaun Higgins. How many times can he tell the Match Committee that he's right to play only to leave us all hoping that he's still injured so we can explain how bad he was? It's unacceptable and he needs to learn that. He can also prove his fitness at Willy this week.

2. Tom Williams. It wasn't physical capabilities holding him back; it was mental application. He's been around for a while now and he, and the team, need to learn that that lack of effort will not be tolerated.

3. Daniel Cross. Yes he's committed, but we are a team that is too slow across the ground and the worst kicking team in the AFL, and Crossy is the king of both deficiencies. Our midfield was a disgrace and he was in it for most of the day. We need to put games into Wallis and try out one or two others but we can't keep adding one paced players to one of the slowest midfields in the competition. Someone has to make room and it can be him. I know that he's played more defensively this year but the fact is that he hasn't played to his previous standards.

4. Ben Hudson. Age has caught up with him a little this year. He can rip apart a rookie from Richmond but is being demolished by the good ruckmen in the league. Can't imagine that it'd be fun to be a short ruckman against Nic Nat and Cox, but he had to do more and almost gave away more free kicks than he had actual possessions.

5. Daniel Giansiracusa. Is the Vice Captain of the club and has had far too little influence on our games this year. Gia is in the leadership group; Gilbee is not. Gia was hardly awe inspiring against Richmond; Gilbee kicked six. Think that's a coincidence? Hell will freeze over before Eade contemplates dropping this guy.


Those five players aren't the only reasons why we were smashed, but they are senior players (4 of whom are in the leadership group) whose selection this week flies in the face of Eade's famous 'form and fitness' selection criteria. If Eade truly wanted to make a statement this week, then he would have dropped some of the guys who arrive at the ground knowing that they'll be getting a game next week no matter what. Who knows, maybe if he did it would make every other player on that list (and not just the ones Eade thinks are dispensable) a little hungrier because they will be fighting to keep their spot in the team.

I cannot argue with anything you have posted, totally agree.

[LostDoggy]

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Maybe you should put that question in the context of who was trying to get a game.

You can't just axe blokes on perception - there needs to be a better alternative at Willy. Last year, there simply wasn't in most cases.

All of last year we heard the same story - Hahn & Gia were too slow to provide defensive pressure. The same people probably wouldn't believe they were the only two forwards who did provide adequate defensive pressure.

I do believe Rocket dropped Hahn early in his coaching tenure too when he was unhappy with a performance. He's dropped Gilbee after a poor showing. I expect Hudson wont play this week either.

The "favourites' myth isn't one that stands up well to proper scrutiny.

Depends on your definition of 'proper scrutiny', Mofra.

If 'proper scrutiny' means suggesting that Hahn and Gia provided adequate forward pressure last year, and reminding us of Hahn being dropped once in 2006 and Gilbee once in 2011, then you're right, it doesn't.

However if 'proper scrutiny' means watching how our team has been selected consistently over a number of years and how a number of out of form players have consistently been given games regardless of their output, then actually, it does.

I watched Williamstown most weeks last year. The cupboard wasn't nearly so empty as to justify Hahn getting a game consistently after round eighteen when he should have been sent packing. We had options, but Eade had committed to Yesterday's Heroes and was unwilling to change.

[The Pie Man]

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^^

I thought Higgins might have been in trouble - though perhaps he will be 'better for the run'

Hudson may still not play, will await the final team in a few hours

Williams was quite bad last week I'll concede, but he's another that should be 'better for the run'

I would not have dropped Cross or Gia - I think it's worth seeing Cross in the forward half, but of course I'll defer to the MC's wisdom. Gia wasn't that bad last week in my view.

[Bornadog]

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I watched Williamstown most weeks last year. The cupboard wasn't nearly so empty as to justify Hahn getting a game consistently after round eighteen when he should have been sent packing. We had options, but Eade had committed to Yesterday's Heroes and was unwilling to change.

I am pretty much sick of reading this sort of garbage about Eade and his favourite players that he won't drop.

Come on "The Rocket" tell us which players put their hands up in 2010 that warranted a game and didn't get a game?