Round #10 - Slaps and Sledges

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Slap:

* Griffen. We'd be stuffed without him. Great player.

* Morris. See above.

* Picken. Bounce back today after a few poor performances in recent weeks.

* Williams. Thought he looked better up forward and I hope we persist with this.

* Howard. Showed courage a couple of times and put in two brilliant passes to Hall and Lake, under pressure, which they both dropped. Nice sign though.

Sledge:

* Higgins. WOG.

* Hall. Unfortunately Barry is a liability now.

* Wallis. I'm all for playing kids and wouldn't object to him continue playing given the state we're in, but he's not ready at the moment.

[Scorlibo]

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In our best 10? Did you watch the game @ Etihad stadium?

I was in the third row. He was better than 12 players, therefore he was in the best 10. It doesn't mean he was good, just that as a team we were pathetic and Higgins was better than 12 others (Hall, Reid, Liberatore, Hill, Gilbee, Jones, Wood, Lake, Howard, Williams, Wallis, Sherman).

OK then, I won't add anything else, the staggering absurdity of this last sentence astounds me.

So from what I can gather, you think that age does matter, and that 18 year olds should be given games regardless of their output? I repeat, age should not be a factor if we want to be successful in season 2011.

* Higgins. WOG.

Not by a long way.

[LostDoggy]

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Okay , calm down , if you want to have expanded posts on today's game do it in the right thread

2 Slaps

2 Sledges

That,s all you get !!!

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[Bornadog]

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Slap -
Griffen was sensational - 19 touches & 5 tackles to halftime and only injuries slowed him
Jones' hands on the HF line - really looked like an AFL standard CHF today
Williams showed a bit today...

Sledges -
... as a small forward. Tommy, you're 6 foot 5 and weigh nigh on 100kg. Use it.
Hall. Looked nowhere near it today

Sorry Mofra have to pick you up on the nomination of Jones. Yes he did a couple of good things but 5 disposals is woeful

[AndrewP6]

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So from what I can gather, you think that age does matter, and that 18 year olds should be given games regardless of their output? I repeat, age should not be a factor if we want to be successful in season 2011.



Not by a long way.

OK I guess I will add. Yes, age does matter. If he ran around cluelessly, had no ability to read play and could not kick or handball, then he shouldn't play. If he shows promise, does some good things and doesn't look out of place, he ought to be given at least another game.

I think the good ship "Success" might have sailed this year already.

[Scorlibo]

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I think the good ship "Success" might have sailed this year already.

That's all I wanted to hear. You have given up on this year and want to blood the kids, and that's fine. I haven't, and I know the club hasn't, hence the viewpoint I'm taking regarding the unimportance of age.

[AndrewP6]

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That's all I wanted to hear. You have given up on this year and want to blood the kids, and that's fine. I haven't, and I know the club hasn't, hence the viewpoint I'm taking regarding the unimportance of age.

Fair enough, although I'd still play him, unless there's a better option.

[Topdog]

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I suppose it depends on philosophy Scorlibo.

Personally you pick players who aren't your best 22 but who are giving you the best at the time.

Higgins has a high standard and is no where near it therefore should be dropped. What Wallis lacks in speed of the game he makes up for with his endeavour to do the 15, something that apparently Higgins has forgotten.

Do you think Dal Santo was the worst player in the Saints side 2 years ago to get dropped?

[Scorlibo]

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I suppose it depends on philosophy Scorlibo.

Absolutely.

Personally you pick players who aren't your best 22 but who are giving you the best at the time.

Sure.

Higgins has a high standard and is no where near it therefore should be dropped.

But can't you see that this isn't how a team is selected? It's not about comparing a player's performance to their best performance, it's about comparing a player's performance to that of other players.

What Wallis lacks in speed of the game he makes up for with his endeavour to do the 15, something that apparently Higgins has forgotten.

We will have to agree to disagree, I saw Shaun work quite hard today in close.

Do you think Dal Santo was the worst player in the Saints side 2 years ago to get dropped?

No, he wasn't. He was one of their best.

What makes you think this was a correct decision though?

Nick Dal Santo averaged 22 disposals either side of his one game omission, and it was indeed a one game omission, so there were no lasting positive effects.

So essentially St Kilda lost one of their better players for a game (two counting Milne) and as a result nearly lost at home to a Fremantle side coming in with a 2-10 record that season. If they had lost this game, they would have finished 8th that season, instead of 4th, then maybe never played a preliminary final, and never have had the success they did in 2009.

The only case you could possibly make FOR the decision is that is sparked the rest of the team, with St Kilda having a fairly successful latter half of the season. Yet we have already made it very clear that if a senior player isn't performing that they will be axed (Lake, Gilbee, Hudson).

[Desipura]

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Slap: Griffen is a leader, if all our best players performed like leaders, we would be much better.
Libba, although still learning the game, he only had 11 possies, I thought he earnt every single one of them. Once he learns how to get in a position to get more uncontested possies, he will be a very well rounded player.

Morris/Picken - another 2 leaders who do inspirational thingsie backing into packs
Sledge:
Hall, father time appears to have caught up with him

Gia, kicked goals from limited opportunities, missed a crucial in the 2nd. Getting caught holding the ball knowing your oppoenent is on your tail was evidence how much faster the game has become. Otherwise performed ok.

Gilbee, sadly did not rspond in the manner we had all hoped.

[Mofra]

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* Higgins. WOG.

* Hall. Unfortunately Barry is a liability now.

I thought Hall & Gilbee were much worse than Higgins.

[Ozza]

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Slap: Ryan Griffen's efforts all day.

Slap: The piece of play where Gia laid the initial body on his opponent to get him out of the way - kept the ball moving forward for us - and then kept working to get it back and kick a checkside shot on the run was our best moment for the day.

Sledge: The piece of play when in our forward line Williams (I think) slapped the ball to keep in in play and it hit Higgins' foot and rooled forward - his opponent who was behind him got passed Shaun and dived on the footy - just wanted the footy much much more. This was just one moment that typified Higgins lack of intensity - the amount of times Guerra got uncontested footy was just pure laziness.

Sledge: Dumb footy. We push ALL our numbers up towards the contest , and crowd the oppositions half - leaving no forward structure whatsoever, but then we still want to play this ridiculous 'play on at all costs' footy where blokes end up kicking to Hall one out against 3 or 4 opponents. The two strategies don't marry up whatsoever. What is going on there? Everyone in the stadium can see it happening - and it happens in every single game that we play against a decent side - and has happened for 4 years.

[LostDoggy]

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Slap: Griff - years ago we asked more of him and he's now delivering. Gun.
Slap: Bob Murphy - at 28 he's still very fast. Chased down Rioli a couple of times.

Sledge: Lake - where's your head at mate?
Sledge: Minson - back to his old horrible ways.

I think calls for Hall's retirement are way too premature, he just looked like a guy that hasn't played AFL for 5 weeks.

[Bornadog]

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Slap - Griffen a class act
Slap - Morris, shouldn't be playing on guys like Buddy, but overall beat him
Slap - Gia - 22 disposals, 12 CONTESTED, 5 goals contributed and could have kicked three more.

Sledge - Our supporters for constant bagging of Gia

Sledge - to the 12 players who had 11 disposals or less (except Morris)

[LostDoggy]

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Slap - Griffen a class act
Slap - Morris, shouldn't be playing on guys like Buddy, but overall beat him
Slap - Gia - 22 disposals, 12 CONTESTED, 5 goals contributed and could have kicked three more.

Sledge - Our supporters for constant bagging of Gia

Sledge - to the 12 players who had 11 disposals or less (except Morris)

Agree plus
Sledge The play on at all costs doesnt work against the good sides . It only works against the rubbish sides . This game plan worked 2 years ago but fails with the new forward press that teams apply