Leadership Group are they up to It

[GVGjr]

Re: Leadership Group are they up to It

You must have a reason for saying this?

They must have said something bad about Lake

[lemmon]

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I remember reading somewhere in relation to MS Dhoni actually, that what makes a good leader and captain is that they don't pass pressure downwards. Couldn't say that with any honesty when talking about a number of our leaders in my opinion.

[Missing-Dog]

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I think we dont have the quality of Collingwoods midfielders currently.

Yes currently Cross, Boyd and Griffen may regularly get near 30 possesions. They are often ordinary disopsals though. Partly cos they are pressured and dont have the support.
We have some guys who try hard in the midfield like Ward and Picken but they rarely hit the 30 plus possesions and they at times dont have silky skills, they often bomb it!
A few young kids like Wallis and Libba who are just learning and maybe get 20 possesions at best
Then a few guys that are underdone, injured, lazy or maybe just not up to playin midfield..??
Cooney, Gia, Higgins not really played midfield at a decent level this season!
No wonder we are struggling!
Then just look at our gameplan or lack of!
Hawks showed us how it should be done. Short sharp passes with great movement up ahead.

[GVGjr]

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I recall in the drawn GF last year watching Lenny Hayes who is usually not a long penetrating kick unleash a 50 metre goal at a critical point of the last qtr. You could see he WANTED to take that kick, personally, desperately almost, craved the responsibility. And I wondered then if we had even one player on our list who could from sheer will and drive do that.

Anyway Lenny Hayes that day was everything I would want in a club leader.

Our guys are good blokes, they want to set a good culture, they are articulate, represent the club well, and tick all those boxes, but I'm not sure who could do an act of inspiration like that.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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One of the attributes of a leader is showing by example. Boyd on and off the field is a true leader, in my books. Off the field his training is second to none and demands high standards which is great for any new player coming into the team. On field he has his critics due to his defensive side, but he is a high possession gatherer and really puts in 110%.

He is ranked number one in the AFL for clearances and also number one for disposals . He may not possess the silky skills of a Cooney, but he is a leader by example.

I agree with you bornadog, I think Boyd is the right man for the job but cant help but think we have over complicated it with everyone else in the group, we just need Boyd, Morris, Hall & Cross, BUT i feel the issue is post Boyd more than what we have now, I dont like Cooney, Higgins & Ward as options as leaders of the Bulldogs.

[FrediKanoute]

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I am more worried about our general fitness as a group than our leadership. Boyd Cross Morris etc are all absolutely wonderful examples of hard work and discipline if not charismatic follow me types.

Why do we look so slow? why do we have no explosiveness and repeat sprint efforts. We constantly look like a Melbourne cup horse having a first up run over 1200 metres.

I think this as something to do with the sub rule and the way we geared up our guys to play over the last few years.

[Bornadog]

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I agree with you bornadog, I think Boyd is the right man for the job but cant help but think we have over complicated it with everyone else in the group, we just need Boyd, Morris, Hall & Cross, BUT i feel the issue is post Boyd more than what we have now, I dont like Cooney, Higgins & Ward as options as leaders of the Bulldogs.

Post Boyd doesn't look too good, unless Griffen comes out of his shell abit. He is a very quiet type of person and doesn't say too much.

[Dry Rot]

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I recall in the drawn GF last year watching Lenny Hayes who is usually not a long penetrating kick unleash a 50 metre goal at a critical point of the last qtr. You could see he WANTED to take that kick, personally, desperately almost, craved the responsibility. And I wondered then if we had even one player on our list who could from sheer will and drive do that.

Anyway Lenny Hayes that day was everything I would want in a club leader.

Our guys are good blokes, they want to set a good culture, they are articulate, represent the club well, and tick all those boxes, but I'm not sure who could do an act of inspiration like that.

Absolutely agree. Our leaders and leadership group post Chris Grant have been far from top shelf. No Hodges or Hayes in the red and white and blue IMO. Morris and Griff would come closest.

[Desipura]

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Post Boyd doesn't look too good, unless Griffen comes out of his shell abit. He is a very quiet type of person and doesn't say too much.

I disagree, we have potential leaders in Ward, Roughy, Jones, Libba and Wallis

[always right]

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I disagree, we have potential leaders in Ward, Roughy, Jones, Libba and Wallis

Just curious....what leadership traits do you think Jones and Roughy have? Simply pure talent doesn't count.

[Mantis]

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Just curious....what leadership traits do you think Jones and Roughy have? Simply pure talent doesn't count.

Ward & Libba could also be grouped in this category.

[Desipura]

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Just curious....what leadership traits do you think Jones and Roughy have? Simply pure talent doesn't count.

Jones has a presence about him, sets a good example with his desire to tackle. Once he builds his confidence up and feels comfortable playing at this level. I think you will see him flourish as a leader.

Roughy hits the contest hard, again he is only young but I see him marshalling the onballers at the centre square. Similar to Jones in that once he has played continuous footy, you will see him develop other parts of his game ie marking.

Libba & Wallis from all reports leave no stone unturned with their preparation to training. They play an inside type role which is what I look for in a leader. They will become leaders in the future I have no doubt.

Ward is similar to the above, his ability to put his body on the line must make others stand taller. Once he gets consistency in his games, I see him as a replacement for Boyd.

[Topdog]

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Just curious....what leadership traits do you think Jones and Roughy have? Simply pure talent doesn't count.

Personally besides being a hard trainer I don't see any in Boyd.

[Ghost Dog]

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Personally besides being a hard trainer I don't see any in Boyd.

starting to come around to your way of thinking Topdog

[always right]

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Personally besides being a hard trainer I don't see any in Boyd.

So other than training hard, you see zero leadership traits whatsover? I know he has some shortcomings but I find this statement over the top and disrespectful.

Immediately off the top of my head.....he puts his head over the ball, wins contested footy, consistently performs week after week, never gives up, and plays through injury. There are five traits I would see as desirable in a leader at our football club. He lets himself down with his defensive efforts but to completely ignore his other qualities is rediculous.