Game Day 2011 - R18 Western Bulldogs vs Sydney

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R18 Western Bulldogs vs Sydney

So Greystache we trade Higgins, Lake and retire Hall and Gilbee. Ward may leave to GWS
I would think we should be keeping our senior players in the 22-26 year bracket and try and gain the likes of Dangerfield for one of the first rounders for Ward.
We dont want this to be any bigger rebuild than it is likely to be.

Lake's contracted, I like to think Ward will stay, Hall will be a loss but we recruited him at 33, and Hudson and Gilbee won't be missed next year (though Gilbee is contracted).

Higgins is 22, I'd expect we'd trade a player in that age bracket for a player who's a similar age who can offer more going forward.

[Sedat]

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I take it that you are suggesting that Coons and Griff will continue to plug away in the heat of the battle? That's a recipe for inconsistent output and if we can groom someone else (or pick up early in the draft) to be that elite mid we could go a long way to protecting Coon's career.

Not necessarily. He should be primarily playing the outside role that he was initially drafted for. Chris Judd has gone the opposite way from an outside ball carrier (which won him a Brownlow) to an inside ball winning machine (which also won him a Brownlow) - I think Coons can become a seriously destructive outside run and carry presence if given less time to get bashed up in the coalface. I also like him up forward for periods as well. He is an elite talent that requires constant attention from the opposition wherever he plays.

Griff should also be used outside moreso than inside. Most teams have one bonafide 'extractor', which we have Ward (hopefully) and Libba as long-term propositions in this role, and Boyd/Cross short term. Having Coons and Griff in at the coalface is dumb for a club that struggles so much to run and spread from the initial contest.

[Doc26]

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Roughead. Adelaide's big man stocks are all over the place. We look at Roughead and hope Cordy comes on to help out Will.

For me Roughead is one of our untouchables. Still very bullish about his prospects and for the urgency in our need to retain him.

Until the AFL steal him for one of their play things I'd lock him down tightly.

If their was currency in Shaun then we should consider what concoction could be had. As up and down as his current form suggests I still like Dangerfield, has an ugly but good head on his shoulders. For us to prolong Cooney's career, which I desperately hope we can achieve, I can't see it being the power four quarter midfielder that he has been capable of.

[LostDoggy]

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How did we expect Ves to be a Johnno replacement when one of Johnno's main weapons was being able to run all day while Ves's biggest knock is that his tank? Just don't understand the thinking behind the trade, and with a whole season in the twos and unable to break into a non-performing senior team, it seems that the MC is equally none the wiser.

[Greystache]

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He kicked a number of goals on Morris did he not?

He kicked 1, which was against Cross while we were trying to re-arrange match ups after Yarran went forward. Wood beat him easily.

[Bornadog]

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He kicked 1, which was against Cross while we were trying to re-arrange match ups after Yarran went forward. Wood beat him easily.

Yes that was a great game by Wood. As he gets more game time he is going to be a very good player for us.

[Desipura]

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He kicked 1, which was against Cross while we were trying to re-arrange match ups after Yarran went forward. Wood beat him easily.

I thought in one game he kicked goals against Morris, I might be thinking of Welsh

[Sedat]

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Against crabs.

What's his record like against teams that can play??... I will save you the time checking and let you know that it's terrible.

You're probably right but then what's the record of 90% of our playing group against team 'that can play'? Especially at the pointy end of the season. Walker was a dead duck but had a blinder in a final last year which ultimately saved his career at Carlton - on that score alone he's ahead of several of our senior players.

[LostDoggy]

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Not necessarily. He should be primarily playing the outside role that he was initially drafted for. Chris Judd has gone the opposite way from an outside ball carrier (which won him a Brownlow) to an inside ball winning machine (which also won him a Brownlow) - I think Coons can become a seriously destructive outside run and carry presence if given less time to get bashed up in the coalface. I also like him up forward for periods as well. He is an elite talent that requires constant attention from the opposition wherever he plays.

Griff should also be used outside moreso than inside. Most teams have one bonafide 'extractor', which we have Ward (hopefully) and Libba as long-term propositions in this role, and Boyd/Cross short term. Having Coons and Griff in at the coalface is dumb for a club that struggles so much to run and spread from the initial contest.

Preaching to the choir. I've talked about a clearer division of labour for years with our midfield group.

Having said that though, the first thing that goes with a knee is that initial burst of speed. His top speed will still be good if he can build up to it (a la McLeod playing off half-back) but he just won't be the same player over the first 5 metres as he's been in the past.

Having said THAT, my theory on Coons's knee is good year/bad year/good year/bad year, so look for him to come out next year and blitz the field.

[Greystache]

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I thought in one game he kicked goals against Morris, I might be thinking of Welsh

Yeah that was Welsh, he was Morris' kryptonite. Which is hard to explain, Welsh was a decent player but Morris has carved up better for fun.

[Greystache]

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Yes that was a great game by Wood. As he gets more game time he is going to be a very good player for us.

He's having a very good finish to the season, his injury in round 1 was really unfortunate given his preseason form was excellent.

[chef]

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If we don't have anyone on our list approximating Cooney's devastating run and carry ability, and we will be paying significant overs for anyone with half of Coon's talent (such as Dangerfield), wouldn't it be wiser to invest even more heavily in Cooney's well-being to get him as close to 100% for as much of the remainder of his career as possible? We're talking about a player in his mid 20's, not someone who is about to be shipped off to the glue factory.

This.

Although Dangerfield has the goods. Why has Craig been playing him out of FF?

Screw Dangerfield, Vince is the one we should go after.

[chef]

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I would be interested in Vince if an opportunity presented itself. He is a good user and still young.

There won't.

He's out of contract and a Victorian.

[chef]

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I thought in one game he kicked goals against Morris, I might be thinking of Welsh

It was against Williams(he kicked 5) in a game at AAMI in 2009.

[The Pie Man]

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Yeah that was Welsh, he was Morris' kryptonite. Which is hard to explain, Welsh was a decent player but Morris has carved up better for fun.

Was thinking of players that have rarely got hold of him, and they're funnily enough similar size types

DM - 190

S Welsh - 188
S Johnson - 189
A Goodes - 193 (or 194 - a touch taller I clearly have to concede)

Battles manfully against bigger opponents, and regularly slaughters smalls, but some mid ranger's around his size seem to be the ones that can at times enjoy the better of him.