Why Callan Ward should stay

[LostDoggy]

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Surely if the decision was based solely on money, he would have signed by now. Same goes for Daisy Thomas, etc., - if it was just about the dollars, they would have all signed with GWS.

A football club is more than a job I would think - it has a history, it creates passion and loyalty and forges lifelong friendships.

Not a simple black and white (excuse the Pie reference) decision!

[GVGjr]

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Brilliant post Remi.

I think the 'no one could turn down the money' argument is an insult to the men who actually have.

These are men who have been offered more than what Cal was offered and who weren't born and bred in the region that their clubs represent.

These are men who did put loyalty and friendship ahead of pure financial gain.

Let's not forget that people like that are still out there.

If the reports are true that we've offered Cal a long term contract at $450,000 a season, then he'll be being extremely well compensated to stay with his friends, family and club.

With wise investment and the reduced tax rate that professional sportsman pay, $450,000 a year can be turned into quite a lot of money at retirement.
Would I begrudge a man earning $100,000 from leaving his job for an extra $500,000? No. Of course not.

Would I begrudge a man earning $450,000 from leaving his club for an extra $500,000? Absolutely.

It's still entirely possible that Cal will do the right thing. The club greatly respects him and I'm told he is a quality young man. He may well be waiting for the collective bargaining to conclude so his manager knows exactly how much the club will be able to spend in next year's salary cap.

There's room for a little hope.

That being said, a great many of his peers stood up this week and re-signed with the club. I'd have felt a lot better if he was one of them.

Great post. Thanks!! How do messages like this get to Callan?

[EasternWest]

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this is the thread for why Callan Ward should stay. Yes, I am rather tediously idealistic ^_^. But, there is a thread for everyone.

In your example above, afraid it says a lot about your values.
It would have to depend on the job I was leaving / going to
There are lots of factors ?

Wow. You don't know me, you know nothing about me or my values. I didn't think that was the way you worked, but no worries. Leap away.

FWIW, I would like to believe what you're saying is a factor in swaying Cal to stay. I'm just not sure that when all is said and done the emotion is going to be enough. God I hope it is, but I doubt it.

[Ghost Dog]

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Wow. You don't know me, you know nothing about me or my values. I didn't think that was the way you worked, but no worries. Leap away.

FWIW, I would like to believe what you're saying is a factor in swaying Cal to stay. I'm just not sure that when all is said and done the emotion is going to be enough. God I hope it is, but I doubt it.

Sorry EW, it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. aplgs if offense taken ^_^
Of course he is likely to go. Daisy Thomas - at a very successful club.
Selwood, similar. We're not that fortunate with success.
Still, I think there are advantages for him if he stays.

[EasternWest]

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Sorry EW, it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. aplgs if offense taken ^_^
Of course he is likely to go. Daisy Thomas - at a very successful club.
Selwood, similar. We're not that fortunate with success.
Still, I think there are advantages for him if he stays.

That's ok. I was taken aback! But then again, I insinuated you were being JC, so maybe I deserved it .

And I do agree with the theme of all you've said. But the cynic in me has a very loud voice.

[Ghost Dog]

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Yeah, but this is the Why he should stay thread after all! A man can dream ^_^

[Happy Days]

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Ward is 100% dead set absolutely positively certainly without a shadow of a doubt done as a Bulldog, forget about it and think of the guns we're gonna get with our two first round picks out of it.

[AndrewP6]

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Ward is 100% dead set absolutely positively certainly without a shadow of a doubt done as a Bulldog, forget about it and think of the guns we're gonna get with our two first round picks out of it.

Geelong got two first rounders for Gablett. No way we'll get that for Ward.

[Ghost Dog]

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Ward is 100% dead set absolutely positively certainly without a shadow of a doubt done as a Bulldog, forget about it and think of the guns we're gonna get with our two first round picks out of it.

This is NOT the will he stay or go thread. this is WHY he should stay.
Not IF he will stay.

[Remi Moses]

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Well put rocket, dead right an insult to those players who are obviously immersed in what their clubs are trying to achieve.

[Doc26]

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Is no doubt difficult for a young kid such as Cal to look deeply beyond the big dollars being offered to him. Viewed simply through the lens of a 'job',with a limited tenure, then I kind of get the lure but then most, not all, appreciate that underneath that layer you're buying into a contract far more profound when you wrap your arms around this Club.

One only need recall Bobby's speech at B&F night, to then only be trumped by Charlie's few precious moments where he held the packed out Palladium in the palm of his hand as he cried out his genuine love for this Club. Everyone there that night knew that what this Club brings to its loyal and dedicated fans cannot be defined simply in dollar terms, not even close.

I feel for players today that don't yet get this. Fortunately over time many have shown that they do get it and not just in this time of extravagant and rather false rewards. They understand that the road taken is so much more than simply one of a rather opportunistic high paying job. It is a path that not only they walk but they bring with them, sometimes unknowingy, a lifelong experience and legacy shared with so many others, with family and friends at the forefront of this journey.

The implications of Cal's decision extends beyond that of losing a few dollars more, the price is giving up what it is to be a Bulldog for Life, one that money will not buy.

Cal, just have a quite word with Charlie or Bobby, and there's many more from the place they come, and you will find a richness that extends far beyond what a few dollars more will bring you.

Come on Cal, you know this caper is far more than a job. Don't get sucked in. Stick with us.

[boydogs]

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Come on Cal, you know this caper is far more than a job. Don't get sucked in. Stick with us.

The unfortunate reality is that if it is not him, then another player from another club will be the one to cut ties. The AFL is breaking the bonds players share with their clubs and supporters by bankrolling the new clubs to pick up existing players.

I'm not sure Ward will go though. We seem happy to make him one of our highest paid players, play him in his preferred role, give him plenty of game time, have him as a leader of the club and possible future captain etc. There are no push factors here, only pull factors.

He has no connection to Western Sydney, and it is not an enticing place like GC may be. He would be leaving his family, friends and team mates to spend the next 5 years losing games, with only kids around to play and train with.

Going from $450k to $700k before tax, is that really so open & shut? I'm not so sure.

[Ghost Dog]

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The unfortunate reality is that if it is not him, then another player from another club will be the one to cut ties. The AFL is breaking the bonds players share with their clubs and supporters by bankrolling the new clubs to pick up existing players.

I'm not sure Ward will go though. We seem happy to make him one of our highest paid players, play him in his preferred role, give him plenty of game time, have him as a leader of the club and possible future captain etc. There are no push factors here, only pull factors.

He has no connection to Western Sydney, and it is not an enticing place like GC may be. He would be leaving his family, friends and team mates to spend the next 5 years losing games, with only kids around to play and train with.

Going from $450k to $700k before tax, is that really so open & shut? I'm not so sure.

I'm not so sure really. You have only a small percentage of players who get lured to another place purely for money or extra incentives ( Like Carlton, offering Barrassi a chance at coaching ) .
Of those who do, family plays an important part ( Even Ablett, who obviously got a huge payout, did it in part as they promised Nathan and Gary snr a gig as well )
Then you have maybe 1% of players who do it purely for the cash. Now, I can only think of a few that have done that ( and admitted it ) and even then ( Barrassi ) it was with the interests of their family, largely in mind, ie the education of his kids.
then again, I am 36, and maybe I'm out of touch with how young people are these days. Perhaps it is as you say.

[Missing Dog]

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Callan why should you stay I recall an article where you spoke of your father and about choosing football clubs your dad said the bulldogs will break your heart. this for most of us older blokes has been going on since 85 and in fairness since then we have lost only a handfull of stars unlike the 70's and early eighties growing up in the west you become very proud of your achievements in life think to yourself do you want to break the hearts of the bulldog family or be a part of changing the mindset and hopes and dreams of your friends ,family and neighbours."why should you stay" because destiny is in your hands you can grasp it or allow it to slip away

[Ghost Dog]

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