Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

[Mofra]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

What do you suggest that we do with Boyd; Cross; Giansiracusa; Gilbee and Hargrave? What duration should their contracts be and which of them do you see as in our best 22 in 2012, 2013 and 2014?

Gilbee and Hargrave are both contracted for 2012 yet there are rumours both will pull the pin at the end of this season.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

You mean decisions that piss off a number of important players?

I took it to mean stupid short-sighted decisions.
No use playing kids and only kids. It has never to very rarely worked out well.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

I took it to mean stupid short-sighted decisions.
No use playing kids and only kids. It has never to very rarely worked out well.

See GC for proof.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Or Melbourne, or Richmond, or Adelaide, or Carlton, or Port...need I go on.

Exactly. That's what I really don't understand about supporters who continually ask for older players to be delisted or dropped. There has to be a blend of players from old to young.

[Mantis]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Exactly. That's what I really don't understand about supporters who continually ask for older players to be delisted or dropped. There has to be a blend of players from old to young.

But if some of our older players aren't going to help us improve why should we keep playing them?

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Our lack of quality in the 23-28 year old bracket is going to really hurt over the next few years.

Addison
DJ
Markovic
Moles
Stack
Higgins

To go with the established senior players of

Cooney
Griffen
Picken
Williams
Sherman

Doesn't ready very well considering this should be the core of the team. 3 or 4 are delisting/trading candidates.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Our lack of quality in the 23-28 year old bracket is going to really hurt over the next few years.

Addison
DJ
Markovic
Moles
Stack
Higgins

To go with the established senior players of

Cooney
Griffen
Picken
Williams
Sherman

Doesn't ready very well considering this should be the core of the team. 3 or 4 are delisting/trading candidates.

How many should be in each bracket in the best 22, ie 18 to 22, 23 to 28 and 28 plus?

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

How many should be in each bracket in the best 22, ie 18 to 22, 23 to 28 and 28 plus?

Given 23-28 are a players peak, you'd want at least 50% or even 60% in that range, with the other two segments making up the rest depending on if you're building or challenging.

[Mantis]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Read my post, there needs to be a blend.

I read your post and then asked you a question... Can you answer it for me?

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Given 23-28 are a players peak, you'd want at least 50% or even 60% in that range, with the other two segments making up the rest depending on if you're building or challenging.

I read your post and then asked you a question... Can you answer it for me?

Well currently our list is made up of:

29 years plus = 20% or 9 players (includes Rookie Hahn)

23 to 28 = 30% or 14 players

18 to 22 = 50% or 23 including rookies.

* Hall, Huddo and Hahn are retiring, Gilbee is shot and Hargrave may retire.

That leaves:

* Gia - Good season for him, has kicked 43 goals to date.
* Murphy - Could win the B&F
* Boyd - AFL leading Disposals and Clearances
* Lake

Next year Morris and Cross will be 29 and I doubt the club would (and rightly so) delist them

The next batch ie 23 to 28 is made up of: (Next years age)

Minson, Will
Cooney, Adam
Moles, Brodie
Williams, Tom
Griffen, Ryan
Picken, Liam
Markovic, Lukas
Sherman, Justin
Barlow, Ed
Addison, Dylan
Higgins, Shaun
Stack, Brennan
Djerrkura, Nathan
Hill, Josh
Mulligan, James
Skinner, Zephaniah
Grant, Jarrad

17 players will be in this bracket next year. Some will be delisted, so maybe we need to trade for a couple of good players to help this bracket out.

Overall I don't believe we are too badly placed. The above bracket is boosted by the 20 to 23 year olds, ie

Veszpremi, Patrick
Wood, Easton
Reid, Sam
Prato, Eddie
Ward, Callan (if he stays)
Cordy, Ayce
Roughead, Jordan
Hooper, Andrew
Panos, Matthew
Jones, Liam
Howard, Christian
Tutt, Jason

Dahlhaus, Libba and Schofield turn 20 next year as well.

Overall agree the middle bracket is lacking a few more quality players.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Grant is 22, 23 next July IIRC

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

As GD said, it'not just the numbers on the list are imbalanced, the quality does not have the making of a core of a successful team.

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Grant is 22, 23 next July IIRC

thats why he is in the bracket for 23 to 28 as the list is based on next years age.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

thats why he is in the bracket for 23 to 28 as the list is based on next years age.

True enough.
Pace is the real issue

Minson, Will - slow
Cooney, Adam - slowing
Moles, Brodie - medium
Williams, Tom - slow
Griffen, Ryan - quick
Picken, Liam - medium
Markovic, Lukas - slow
Sherman, Justin - quick
Barlow, Ed - medium
Addison, Dylan - slow
Higgins, Shaun - slow
Stack, Brennan - quick
Djerrkura, Nathan - quick ( I think )
Hill, Josh - when he feels like it - medium
Mulligan, James - no idea -
Skinner, Zephaniah - no tank as of yet
Grant, Jarrad - when he feels like it - quick

so there you have it. Our core group is just a bit on the slow side.

[Mantis]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R23 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Overall agree the middle bracket is lacking a few more quality players.

At a quick count only 4 or 5 of this middle group are in our best 22 which isn't a good thing.

Of those a couple still aren't playing the type of footy we expect/ hope they can play.