Win or lose?

[Bornadog]

Re: Win or lose?

I want to see a win, in fact I want to see us thrash Freo.

[Mofra]

Re: Win or lose?

FWIW, may be mixing up my years, but didn't we miss out by one draft spot to the Swans for their Jetta?

In 2009, when we took Howard at 15 he went at 14. Were we interested? I can't recall but he does look good.

[ledge]

Re: Win or lose?

In 2009, when we took Howard at 15 he went at 14. Were we interested? I can't recall but he does look good.

Sounds like some of you have given up on Howard already.

[Sedat]

Re: Win or lose?

In 2009, when we took Howard at 15 he went at 14. Were we interested? I can't recall but he does look good.

From memory we were all over him but absolutely knew that Sydney worst case would nab him at 14.

[GVGjr]

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Yes(to the first bit), as long as they are out there giving 100% I'm happy.

No to the second bit. It all comes down to effort with me.

How many trips have you made to see Williamstown this year?
Based on the fact that effort is greater than wins for you this might be a good stat to measure the commitment.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Win or lose?

Sounds like some of you have given up on Howard already.

When players like Fyfe and Menzel go in picks after 15, it's worrying. Howard might be a good player one day but will be a flanker/winger at best.

[ledge]

Re: Win or lose?

When players like Fyfe and Menzel go in picks after 15, it's worrying. Howard might be a good player one day but will be a flanker/winger at best.

So now you have gone to positions as a defence?
I know wingers who were the best players in the league called Hawkins ,Dipierdomenico, Flower, the list goes on, you dont rate wingers or flankers as footballers?
Positions dont rate whether a player is good or bad.
Howard could be a gun, even next year, some players mature so quick in one pre season, he was chosen very young.
I will wait and see before I throw the kid out so quick.
Jetta could be a flash in the pan, scary how some supporters jump on first impression at times.
Judge on a career not on one year or two.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Win or lose?

So now you have gone to positions as a defence?
I know wingers who were the best players in the league called Hawkins ,Dipierdomenico, Flower, the list goes on, you dont rate wingers or flankers as footballers?
Positions dont rate whether a player is good or bad.
Howard could be a gun, even next year, some players mature so quick in one pre season, he was chosen very young.
I will wait and see before I throw the kid out so quick.
Jetta could be a flash in the pan, scary how some supporters jump on first impression at times.
Judge on a career not on one year or two.

So 3 good ones, 30+ years back.
The modern game doesn't rate wingers.
Howard won't be a gun next year.

[ledge]

Re: Win or lose?

So 3 good ones, 30+ years back.
The modern game doesn't rate wingers.
Howard won't be a gun next year.

Good teams have a defensive winger and a forward winger, Eagleton and Thomas are wingers who played attacking like Tutt will, both those players were important.
Not the game doesnt rate them , You dont, you obviously dont rate flankers but if you listen to or watch games running back flankers are the most sort after and important for rebound.
Give me a fit Murphy , Gllbee, Harbrow running off half back and you find us in prelims at least.

Collingwood are very good due to them backing the flankers run off and delivery into the forward line.
Geelong the last 5 years back flankers run and delivery.
You underrate both positions.

[chef]

Re: Win or los qq

How many trips have you made to see Williamstown this year?
Based on the fact that effort is greater than wins for you this might be a good stat to measure the commitment.

Some of us don't have the luxury of having weekends off and living in Melbourne. I would go to every game if possible.

[EasternWest]

Re: Win or lose?

So 3 good ones, 30+ years back.
The modern game doesn't rate wingers.
Howard won't be a gun next year.

Do you think he has what it takes to develop into one at all? After all I had heard about him, when I finally saw him play, I was surprised (and pleased) by his willingness to contest physically. It's too soon to tell just how good he'll be, but I think he'll do ok.

[Sedat]

Re: Win or lose?

Do you think he has what it takes to develop into one at all? After all I had heard about him, when I finally saw him play, I was surprised (and pleased) by his willingness to contest physically. It's too soon to tell just how good he'll be, but I think he'll do ok.

Leg speed might be an issue for him in this role.

[GVGjr]

Re: Win or los qq

Some of us don't have the luxury of having weekends off and living in Melbourne. I would go to every game if possible.

I honestly get that but I still don't think people would make the drive to watch a team that has been picked with the mindset to intentionally lose the game and I think dressing it up as 'the effort is more important to you' isn't an accurate reflection.

I still haven't read anything that would suggest throwing games is the right way to go.

[Maddog37]

Re: Win or lose?

Leg speed might be an issue for him in this role.

I thought he looked ok leg speed wise. I felt it was his slow decision making that caught him out at times. Lack of confidence still an issue maybe.

[choconmientay]

Re: Win or lose?

I thought he looked ok leg speed wise. I felt it was his slow decision making that caught him out at times. Lack of confidence still an issue maybe.

I agree. He can make up the lack of leg speed with good decision making and accurate kicking which we know he has. His left boot kick is quite good from what I have seen so far. I think he has to work on the tackling and increasing the intensity in defensive situation.