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  • The Doctor
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2007
    • 3702

    #16
    Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

    Originally posted by Sedat
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    • The Underdog
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Aug 2007
      • 6848

      #17
      Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

      Originally posted by Mantis
      It all sounds good, but I can remember feeling positive when Rohde took over due to words coming out of his mouth .ie. we will play accountable footy, yadda yadda yadda... We all know how that worked out.

      I guess it will take some time to determine if the words he preaches are getting though, but as Dogs fans all we can do is live in hope.
      As you say the proof will be in the pudding but his first 24 hours has been impressive and I don't remember too many people coming out and endorsing Rohde's previous work when he started. I was well over the whole process and had become pretty disenchanted but I think McCartney seems like a good choice given where the list is at. Ironically doesn't seem a million miles from Eade in style, but has the advantage of a clean slate.
      Let's be honest, we're at least 3 years away from being a top 4 contender anyway so hopefully McCartney's as advertised. After his interview on SEN this morning at least it seems like he'll be entertaining.
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      • Sedat
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2007
        • 11205

        #18
        Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

        Originally posted by The Doctor
        it's Peter!


        Mantis raises a good point, but I think the clear difference in the appointment of Rohde and that of McCartney is the fact that cost was one of the key components of Rohde's appointment (which Campbell Rose freely admitted at the time). We are not slashing the budgets of our footy dept this time around, and McCartney's appointment followed a much deeper and detailed interviewing process than Rohde's did. McCartney's CV is also much broader, more comprehensive and has stronger results than Rohde's at the time of his appointment.

        Saying the right things and acting them out are two different things, but I am hopeful that McCartney can bring his excellent teaching pedigree to the table across our entire playing group. I also hope he can identify and act upon the 2-3 aspects of our current game plan that has us behind the 8-ball with the top echelon clubs (which to be fair we were one of those top echelon clubs only a year or two ago). But a new coach needs the right footy dept structure in place, and that includes a quality list manager that can fill the holes on our list, manage the impending exit of our class of 99-01 and replace them with quality like-for-like, and made prudent trading decisions that add real value to our playing list. No easy task but one made more difficult by absorbing this critical function into the all-encompassing head of footy operations banner.
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        • Cyberdoggie
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 2859

          #19
          Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          I think a lot of assistant coaches don't want to develop a reputation for just missing out. It certainly wrecked Royal and Bond should have been a coach in my opinion but after a few strikes I think clubs then look at those guys differently as they have missed out on a few jobs and there is a question if they have improved in the last 12 months.

          Far better to be asked because it gets you a good hearing.
          I totally agree, especially with Bond, would of been a fantastic coach.

          Do you think now the code is that these would be coaches aren't "officially applying"
          for a coaching role, and instead they are getting "approached". It just sounds to me that they are trying to maintain their reputation in case they miss out. Will be interesting to see who gets the StKilda job and if he was also "approached".

          Would this also be the end for Leon Cameron as a future coach?, if he can't get the gig at the bulldogs then surely he's not in the calculations for any other club either.

          Really happy the dogs didn't go for the oldschool club legends approach and took a risk on McCartney. Looks to be a real positive step in the right direction.

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          • Maddog37
            WOOF Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3132

            #20
            Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

            Originally posted by Mantis
            It all sounds good, but I can remember feeling positive when Rohde took over due to words coming out of his mouth .ie. we will play accountable footy, yadda yadda yadda... We all know how that worked out.

            I guess it will take some time to determine if the words he preaches are getting though, but as Dogs fans all we can do is live in hope.


            Agreed Mantis. We can also expect to hear how it is the best preseason ever and all the players are in the best shape ever.

            We will not know until the ball is bounced.

            He has been very impressive thus far and said exactly what needed to be said to give fans some excitement moving forward. If we can have a good trade/draft period then the club will have done a great job under a fair bit of pressure.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66503

              #21
              Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

              Originally posted by Mantis
              It all sounds good, but I can remember feeling positive when Rohde took over due to words coming out of his mouth .ie. we will play accountable footy, yadda yadda yadda... We all know how that worked out.

              I guess it will take some time to determine if the words he preaches are getting though, but as Dogs fans all we can do is live in hope.
              However, there is a big difference in what each has achieved prior to their appointments. BMac has experienced the ultimate, all be it as an assistant.

              Do agree words have to be put into action.
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              • Bulldog Revolution
                Coaching Staff
                • Dec 2006
                • 3925

                #22
                Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                Originally posted by bornadog
                However, there is a big difference in what each has achieved prior to their appointments. BMac has experienced the ultimate, all be it as an assistant.

                Do agree words have to be put into action.
                Rhode did talk a reasonable game, talked about each player being able to win their own ball but also use it etc etc

                The issue was as you've pointed out Rhode could not translate his words into action from the team.

                I have more faith in McCartney that he will be someone the players will actually listen to, and a fair bit of faith that he really knows what is required in terms of nuts and bolts training to translate a plan into action

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #23
                  Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                  Comparing Rhode to McCartney isn't fair.

                  Rhode was the cut price assistant who we all knew from day one was not really gonna be much chop.

                  McCartney is very highly regarded in football circles and I've not heard any commentator criticise the appointment.

                  Sounds like he can get a bit more out of people.

                  Here's hoping for AA nominations for Hill, Stack, Higgins, Grant and Minson next year

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                  • boydogs
                    WOOF Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 5842

                    #24
                    Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                    Originally posted by Cyberdoggie
                    Really happy the dogs didn't go for the oldschool club legends approach and took a risk on McCartney. Looks to be a real positive step in the right direction.
                    Why?

                    Not saying I disagree, but there are plenty of clubs with former champions at the helm (WCE, PA, Coll, Ess, BL, Carl)
                    If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

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                    • AndrewP6
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 8142

                      #25
                      Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                      Originally posted by gogriff
                      Why?

                      Not saying I disagree, but there are plenty of clubs with former champions at the helm (WCE, PA, Coll, Ess, BL, Carl)
                      Not sure Voss and Primus have covered themselves in glory in the coaches box.
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                      • stefoid
                        Senior Player
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 1846

                        #26
                        Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                        Hey, we paid Rhode peanuts to tank.

                        Carlton paid Pagan a million a year to do the same thing...

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                        • Bulldog Revolution
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 3925

                          #27
                          Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                          Originally posted by bc013
                          Comparing Rhode to McCartney isn't fair.

                          Rhode was the cut price assistant who we all knew from day one was not really gonna be much chop.

                          McCartney is very highly regarded in football circles and I've not heard any commentator criticise the appointment.

                          Sounds like he can get a bit more out of people.

                          Here's hoping for AA nominations for Hill, Stack, Higgins, Grant and Minson next year
                          I don't think we are seriously comparing Rhode and McCartney

                          However, its important to remember Rhode was a highly sought after assistant who'd coached successfully in the SANFL, and whom Wallace successfully wooed.

                          Rhode first game was the Wallace quit for Sydney game, and the team played inspired footy against Collingwood.

                          So, I think we had high expectations of Rhode and not dissimilar to McCartney, but suspect that Macca is in a better position from which to deliver given his experience.

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                          • boydogs
                            WOOF Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5842

                            #28
                            Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                            Originally posted by AndrewP6
                            Not sure Voss and Primus have covered themselves in glory in the coaches box.
                            Worsfold & Ratten are doing OK, too early to call with Hird & Buckley - pretty neutral result to this point. We certainly wouldn't be the first to do it if we put Cameron in charge being a former player
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                            • Mofra
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 14909

                              #29
                              Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                              Interesting comment at the bottom of the article - seems to be a fair bit of positivity around his appointment.

                              However, as a wise man once said - you never read pessimism in a company prospectus
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                              • ledge
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 14269

                                #30
                                Re: McCartney's Bulldogs premiership plan

                                Originally posted by gogriff
                                Worsfold & Ratten are doing OK, too early to call with Hird & Buckley - pretty neutral result to this point. We certainly wouldn't be the first to do it if we put Cameron in charge being a former player
                                I think Ratten has wasted a few years at Carlton, they should have been a lot better by now, a few number 1 draft picks that are finally coming on but I believe that would have happened anyway, he has done nothing as a coach as far as I can see.

                                As much as I hate Carlton they have heaps of talent that a reasonable coach would have got more out of by now.
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