Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I think it also comes down to the value placed on attributes such as those demonstrated by Picken, versus those demonstrated by a player like Gia or Higgins.

Skillful players are often deemed naturally talented with the work they've had to put in to get to where they are being discredited, while the lesser skilled but tough players are seen has battlers who have had to fight and scrap for every opportunity they get.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I think that's jumping the gun.
He'll need to get a game first. I don't think he is in our best 22 and as already mentioned has no position yet.

IT's not jumping the gun in that Griff wasn't suggesting he be captain tomorrow. I do agree in that foregoing his 21st, when he has a good excuse for having one, is a good sign of maturity, as is the role he's taking on at home with Dahl and Tom Hill. Leadership qualities and ability are two different things.

As well as Griff, Murph, Gia and the usuals I thought Liam Picken put in a great game on Saturday. Always breathing down the neck of his opponent and often winning the ball and doing one of his long kicks. How come no one has mentioned him???

You just did.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

It's the weight of expectation - as a rookie, expectations are low.

A higher draft pick with a good skill set will be expected to perform like Judd every week (ie Higgins)

It could also be the style of play. Picken comes into the contest like a freight train on 'roids. Supporters dig that.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

IT's not jumping the gun in that Griff wasn't suggesting he be captain tomorrow. I do agree in that foregoing his 21st, when he has a good excuse for having one, is a good sign of maturity, as is the role he's taking on at home with Dahl and Tom Hill. Leadership qualities and ability are two different things.

They are different but ability comes before leadership.
You need to be able to play the game before you can captain. We aren't Gws and don't give it 18 gamers that are unproven.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

They are different but ability comes before leadership.
You need to be able to play the game before you can captain. We aren't Gws and don't give it 18 gamers that are unproven.

I agree, he needs to prove himself with consistent on-field performance before he is actually considered. I was merely saying that he has a mature head on him and it seems he has some strong leadership credentials, which is what I'd what from all of our leadership group.

Whether he ever gets the chance? I guess we'll know more in 12 months.

[always right]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I think it also comes down to the value placed on attributes such as those demonstrated by Picken, versus those demonstrated by a player like Gia or Higgins.

Skillful players are often deemed naturally talented with the work they've had to put in to get to where they are being discredited, while the lesser skilled but tough players are seen has battlers who have had to fight and scrap for every opportunity they get.

I think you're right but battler or not, what I really like about Picken is that week after week you always know what you're going to get. Sure he doesn't always come out on top but you know it won't be because he hasn't had a red hot go.

I also think Picken can have a positive impact on teammates. I reckon blokes would love playing alongside him. I have him in our best 22.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I think you're right but battler or not, what I really like about Picken is that week after week you always know what you're going to get. Sure he doesn't always come out on top but you know it won't be because he hasn't had a red hot go.

I also think Picken can have a positive impact on teammates. I reckon blokes would love playing alongside him. I have him in our best 22.

His tagger role tends to portray him in that light, but I actually think he has better skills than most give him credit for. Some really good snaps for goal last season opened my eyes. Great balance and a pretty good kick.

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I think you're right but battler or not, what I really like about Picken is that week after week you always know what you're going to get. Sure he doesn't always come out on top but you know it won't be because he hasn't had a red hot go.

I also think Picken can have a positive impact on teammates. I reckon blokes would love playing alongside him. I have him in our best 22.

Understand what you're saying. And I agree with you.

I also think supporters can underestimate the positive impact highly skilled players who are safe with the football and can finish off their good work have on the team. There's not many more demoralising things as a footballer than working your butt off to win a contested ball, only to see it turned over and sailing over your head in to the hands of your opponent on the back of a simple skill error.

I guess players get to see the hard work that goes in to execution and have the opportunity to witness first hand what it takes for most naturally talented players to perform each week.

For me the jury's out on Picken being a long term player for us as we develop the younger players on the list (although he's in the age bracket we are lacking in), as his game isn't a rounded one. I'm not sure whether I think that because he's lacked sufficient opportunities in different roles to show us what he can do, or a lack of ability. I suspect it could be a bit of
both, though if any player has the determination to prove he can do it, it's him.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Picken's biggest flaw is his tendency to just slam the ball blindly onto his boot. He did this a lot last year, and a few times in the intra club. His skills are OK when he composes himself, especially for goal.

I think he can still play plenty of good footy with us, but hopefully it's as a lock down mid who pushes forward. I don't like seeing him down in defence.

[Mantis]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I think he can still play plenty of good footy with us, but hopefully it's as a lock down mid who pushes forward. I don't like seeing him down in defence.

Most of us would agree, but our lack of small defenders forces us to use him in this role more than we should.... And especially last year when we had quite a few injuries to contend with down back.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

They are different but ability comes before leadership.
You need to be able to play the game before you can captain. We aren't Gws and don't give it 18 gamers that are unproven.

Nobody has said he should be captain. But he looks like future leadership group material at the very least.

[Mofra]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Most of us would agree, but our lack of small defenders forces us to use him in this role more than we should.... And especially last year when we had quite a few injuries to contend with down back.

Will be interesting to see where he lines up for us this year then - Shaggy looks like he's back for good, and Vez looked quite good behind the ball so he could take a spot there too.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Nobody has said he should be captain. But he looks like future leadership group material at the very least.

My last on this topic. How can someone be seen as a future leader of the club when you can't even see him playing just yet?

[ledge]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

My last on this topic. How can someone be seen as a future leader of the club when you can't even see him playing just yet?

Liberatore and Wallis were seen as leadership material before they were even at the club!

[GVGjr]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Liberatore and Wallis were seen as leadership material before they were even at the club!

Wallis has been a high profile youngster during since he was a junior and he is an impressive speaker. Not sure if it will translate to a leadership role somewhere down the track but he has the right attributes. At the moment his biggest challenge is establishing himself as a senior footballer.