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  • MrMahatma
    Coaching Staff
    • Sep 2007
    • 3966

    What we need is...

    ....2 top 5 picks this year.

    We have a couple of serious deficencies. Our FWD line is non-existent, and we lack polish. A couple of early picks this year (which we can and probably will get) could add to that.

    I'm an optimist. Not such an optimist to think we'll win it this year - but optimistic enough to think that we could do something in a couple of years with the right drafting.

    We won't tank. We shouldn't tank. But I think we'll be at the bottom end of the ladder because we won't kick a score very often. It could be the best thing for us.
  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: What we need is...

    Good luck with that. At the very least we are better than GWS,GCS,Melb and the Lions.
    We also put in and don't look like tanking.
    Two top 10s are more likely

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 44645

      #3
      Re: What we need is...

      Originally posted by MrMahatma

      We won't tank. We shouldn't tank. But I think we'll be at the bottom end of the ladder because we won't kick a score very often. It could be the best thing for us.
      The fact that talk like that is happening in round two is disappointing. Its almost Richmond like.

      I won't consider where will finish and how that relates to the draft until much, much later in the season.
      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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      • MrMahatma
        Coaching Staff
        • Sep 2007
        • 3966

        #4
        Re: What we need is...

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        The fact that talk like that is happening in round two is disappointing. Its almost Richmond like.

        I won't consider where will finish and how that relates to the draft until much, much later in the season.
        Not at all. Couldn't fault the effort of the guys tonight. Our team structure looked good and to see us be able to pressure the opposition into turnovers was a big tick. Just what Macca has been talking about all pre-season. I just feel we just lack class. Class users of the ball. Perhaps that'll come with the current list, but class generally isn't taught. You have it or you don't.

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66726

          #5
          Re: What we need is...

          What we need is... to keep developing this young list and getting games into them. In two weeks of footy, I have seen that we are capable of producing some very good tough football, but I agree we are struggling with kicking goals.
          FFC: Established 1883

          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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          • Mantis
            Hall of Fame
            • Apr 2007
            • 15448

            #6
            Re: What we need is...

            Originally posted by bornadog
            What we need is... to keep developing this young list and getting games into them. In two weeks of footy, I have seen that we are capable of producing some very good tough football, but I agree we are struggling with kicking goals.
            So dropping Wallis helps this how?

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            • Eastdog
              WOOF Communtiy Organiser
              • Feb 2012
              • 18290

              #7
              Re: What we need is...

              Originally posted by Mantis
              So dropping Wallis helps this how?
              When do you think he will get a game?
              "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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              • The Bulldogs Bite
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 11246

                #8
                Re: What we need is...

                It'll take 2-3 years of good drafting before we'll turn it around, but even then, it's no guarantee.

                In 3-4 years time we'll be without Lake, Cross, Hargrave, Murphy, Giansiracusa and Boyd/Cooney will be older too.

                I think it's more realistic to hope we'll challenge in 3-5 years.
                W00F!

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15448

                  #9
                  Re: What we need is...

                  Originally posted by Eastdog
                  When do you think he will get a game?
                  No time soon.

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44645

                    #10
                    Re: What we need is...

                    Originally posted by Mantis
                    So dropping Wallis helps this how?
                    Do we need to lock Wallis into a half back flank role for 3 or 4 weeks and see how he goes?
                    Giving him some continuity in his game of just one player to beat might assist him.
                    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15448

                      #11
                      Re: What we need is...

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      Do we need to lock Wallis into a half back flank role for 3 or 4 weeks and see how he goes?
                      Giving him some continuity in his game of just one player to beat might assist him.
                      No reason why not.

                      He has to be a better long term option than someone like Addison so why not play him in a similiar role.. If he isn't up to after the timeframe you have suggested then you play Addison, if he goes ok he stays in and perhaps gets some midfield action too.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #12
                        Re: What we need is...

                        Originally posted by MrMahatma
                        ....2 top 5 picks this year.

                        We have a couple of serious deficencies. Our FWD line is non-existent, and we lack polish. A couple of early picks this year (which we can and probably will get) could add to that.

                        I'm an optimist. Not such an optimist to think we'll win it this year - but optimistic enough to think that we could do something in a couple of years with the right drafting.

                        We won't tank. We shouldn't tank. But I think we'll be at the bottom end of the ladder because we won't kick a score very often. It could be the best thing for us.
                        What we actually need is to just keep working hard with the list we have for 2012

                        Just forget about all the airy fairy wish upon a star draft pick debate until October

                        This is just Round 2 with a new coach


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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66726

                          #13
                          Re: What we need is...

                          Originally posted by Mantis
                          So dropping Wallis helps this how?
                          Part of the development.
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #14
                            Re: What we need is...

                            Originally posted by Mantis
                            So dropping Wallis helps this how?
                            Doesnt look up to it at this stage. Needs some time to mature at Willi. There are a few ahead of him at the moment.

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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 21831

                              #15
                              Re: What we need is...

                              To keep working hard on our pressure game, which showed tonight what can be achieved when comitted to slowing an opposition team's momentum.

                              Some players at Williamstown to put pressure on the senior team with solid performances, and a couple of Panos, Skinner and Cordy in particular to kick goals at that level to put their hands up to assist Jones and Grant in the senior team. Run and polish from Sherman, Tutt, Howard and Veszpremi will see them get an opportunity soon.

                              Constant effort and leadership from our senior core. Younger players develop and eventually flourish when a team is at least competitive, and for us to be competitive in most cases guys like Boyd, Griffen, Cooney, Lake, Murphy, Hargrave, Higgins, Minson and Giansiracusa need to play well. I look at Melbourne as a side that seems to have had talented players come into it over the last few years, without having a senior core setting the example and supporting them. We can't allow this to happen to us.

                              Good ball users who have pace to be picked up in this year's draft. We can debate whether guys like Smith, Liberatore, Wallis, Picken, Dahlhaus and Wood are bad kicks or servicable however, none of them are dangerous or damaging kicks. Being a serviceable kick is OK if you have damaging kicks around you. We simply need more players who are damaging by foot.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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