Scott Welsh

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Scott Welsh

What a crock of shit.

Jason Torney and Matthew Bode have never had any issues and they got the Kyber as soon as they turned 30.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Scott Welsh

Jason Torney and Matthew Bode have never had any issues and they got the Kyber as soon as they turned 30.

Yep I agree, those two definitely got the raw end of the stick.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Scott Welsh

Is there anybody with a strait face who can say there is even one once of loyalty left in this game.

[mjp]

Re: Scott Welsh

Is there anybody with a strait face who can say there is even one once of loyalty left in this game.

The actions of the Adelaide Footy Club are a good reason why some form of Free Agency has to be introduced. The players - not the superstars, but just good, honest footballers trying to carve out a career - do not have enough power.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Scott Welsh

The actions of the Adelaide Footy Club are a good reason why some form of Free Agency has to be introduced. The players - not the superstars, but just good, honest footballers trying to carve out a career - do not have enough power.

I think this years trade period is a perfect example of why free agency shouldn't be introduced.

Hudson, Meeson, Mattner and Welsh all wanted out of Adelaide and all got what they wanted. In three out of the four cases Adelaide got compensated as well.

King, Gardiner, Moran, Power, Hadley and Dempster all basically got given away for practically nothing to where they wanted to go.

Judd, Wood, Schnieder and McMahon were all still wanted by their clubs but they got to go where they wanted and their clubs were duly recompensed.

Essendon were pricks to Bradley but it looks like he will end up at Freo anyway and Essendon got nothing.

The system works better now than it ever has.

[Topdog]

Re: Scott Welsh

I agree with Sock. It is now actually a system that is working well as teams realise there is not much point holding others to ransom.

2 years in a row the Bulldogs had an opportunity to hold a team to ransom but didnt.

2 years in a row Dogs and West Coast worked the system to a tee and made players happy still.

Geelong this year were brilliant with their handling of Playfair and Gardiner.

Even Adelaide with Craig who has always hated trading were willing to let players go to a club of their choice.

The only losers this year was Essendon.

[mjp]

Re: Scott Welsh

I agree with Sock. It is now actually a system that is working well as teams realise there is not much point holding others to ransom.

2 years in a row the Bulldogs had an opportunity to hold a team to ransom but didnt.

2 years in a row Dogs and West Coast worked the system to a tee and made players happy still.

Geelong this year were brilliant with their handling of Playfair and Gardiner.

Even Adelaide with Craig who has always hated trading were willing to let players go to a club of their choice.

The only losers this year was Essendon.

Ummm....And what of Jason Torney?

[Topdog]

Re: Scott Welsh

Ummm....And what of Jason Torney?

please expand. I honestly have no idea about what happened to him.

[Raw Toast]

Re: Scott Welsh

Ummm....And what of Jason Torney?

Good question Mike, but what kind of free trade provision would help Torney? If Adelaide shopped him around during trade week then presumably there were no takers at any price (ie pick 8 or so). And if anyone wants him they can get him for free now.

I agree he's been harshly treated - it sounds like his season was at least good. I find it hard to imagine a structure that would stop a club treating a player like this though. Would he be at another team if he was a free agent before trade week? (I presume he was delisted after trade week.) I don't think so.

[The Underdog]

Re: Scott Welsh

Good question Mike, but what kind of free trade provision would help Torney? If Adelaide shopped him around during trade week then presumably there were no takers at any price (ie pick 8 or so). And if anyone wants him they can get him for free now.

I agree he's been harshly treated - it sounds like his season was at least good. I find it hard to imagine a structure that would stop a club treating a player like this though. Would he be at another team if he was a free agent before trade week? (I presume he was delisted after trade week.) I don't think so.

I was going to post something about Torney earlier as I felt he may have been the unluckiest delisting in the league purely on form, but I realised halfway through my rant that this kind of thing goes on all the time. He was simply the wrong age, wrong type of player on the wrong team at the wrong time. The confluence of these factors led to him losing a spot when he on most other teams would have kept it. However I think free agency would have been unlikely to help anymore than the current system. He's available now for nothing as he would be in free agency but I can't see too many teams wanting him. If he had of been in a team that was peaking rather than dropping and rebuilding he would be an AFL player now, but he wasn't so he's not. It sucks, but other than trying to institute laws to protect older players (longer lists maybe) I'm not sure much can be done. Free agency might help some but guys in their 30's will still be the ugly sisters in this scenario.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Scott Welsh

Ummm....And what of Jason Torney?

Can go to any club who wants him.

[Mantis]

Re: Scott Welsh

Can go to any club who wants him.

But it shouldn't be that way.

I hope this bites Adelaide on the arse. As much as I hate them I do respect them, but no more. It's ok to take a youth policy, but you can do it with a bit more tact.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Scott Welsh

But it shouldn't be that way.

I hope this bites Adelaide on the arse. As much as I hate them I do respect them, but no more. It's ok to take a youth policy, but you can do it with a bit more tact.

The AFL rules say you must reduce your playing list to 35 before the draft. Jason Torney was a victim of the Adelaide match committee thinking (rightly or wrongly) that he wasn't in their best 35 next year. No different to what we did with Tim Walsh or Cameron Faulkner.

Free agency wouldn't have helped Torney.

[The Underdog]

Re: Scott Welsh

The AFL rules say you must reduce your playing list to 35 before the draft. Jason Torney was a victim of the Adelaide match committee thinking (rightly or wrongly) that he wasn't in their best 35 next year. No different to what we did with Tim Walsh or Cameron Faulkner.

Free agency wouldn't have helped Torney.

I'd dispute that Adelaide wouldn't think he'd be in their best 35. He would easily be in their best 25, however what they have decided is that he only has a max of 1 or 2 more years left and they want to get games into their next genetration to try and challenge again in a couple of years. In that sense it is different to Walsh or Faulkner. Not that I'd claim any moral highground for us, it's something we've done before too.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Scott Welsh

My point was free agency wouldn't have helped him.