Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

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  • Sockeye Salmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6365

    Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

    Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
    I would like to see Hill come in at FF. I would like to see Jones retained playing alongside Hill in a FP. We having nothing to lose by playing Hill or Panos. Jones has been given too much responsibility as the only key forward to date and has clearly struggled. He desperately needs more support rather than being dropped.
    Isn't this what Cordy was for?

    I can't see how we could play Hill and Cordy together.

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    • EasternWest
      Hall of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 10002

      Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

      Originally posted by Mantis
      Such a good member that he likes to gift the opposing team a couple of goals per game.

      And why is what you stated important?
      Yeah. Wood gifts them goals on purpose. That's exactly what this poster is saying.

      It's important because there's obviously a value placed on people who are embraced within the group for their dedication to the team, club etc. Maybe it plays a part at the selection table, who knows?

      Not sure why you felt the need to jump on BR when he was simply contributing his thoughts to the conversation.
      "It's over. It's all over."

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      • jeemak
        Bulldog Legend
        • Oct 2010
        • 21831

        Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

        I'm for bringing in more run, though retaining the two ruckmen and tall forward line for at least one more week. Because something didn't work when we were kicking the ball disgracefully isn't a reason to ditch it as a plan immediately. We need to be stronger in our resolve.

        Cordy, Jones and Grant haven't had a lot of game time together and the coaching staff needs to be patient, particularly where our developing forward line is concerned. Retaining Cordy and Roughead eases our backline issues as well, as each could play on a resting ruckman.

        I also think Jones in the absense of Lake might benefit from some time in defense if he's getting monstered again this week. I acknowledge this contradicts my point about Cordy, Grant and Jones needing time to play together, though I think we need to have an alternative for Jones prior to him being mentally deranged by the delivery to him and not touching the ball.

        Not ideal, of course.

        I'd bring in Veszpremi, Sherman and Wallis this week, for Smith, Wood and Lake.

        Wood has been terribly out of form and needs to consolidate a string of performances together at Willy. Not much more to say about him, other than I don't think he's likely to perform better any farther forward than the centre line, and he needs to learn his defensive craft sooner rather than later. Being a forward in the AFL is harder now than it's ever been, and I haven't seen anything from Wood to suggest he can play forward of centre to the level required.

        Smith is at a stage where he needs to take what he's being taught at training to a game where the intensity is a little lighter. I can't imagine the coaching staff doing much else other than developing his decision making and composure (as other areas of his game are reasonably advanced), though with his kicking flaws he'll be better served doing so at Williamstown.

        Lake is a doofus. He made a concerted effort to pull his head in suspension wise for a significant period of time and deserves a single dose of leniency. If he does it again he needs to be seriously remided of what a player on a huge salary is required to devote to the team, particularly in times when his form is patchy at best.

        Sherman is unpredictable however, he is a midfielder that can kick goals at AFL level which is really what we need right now. His decision making is hit an miss for sure, though his unpredictability to the opposition will benefit us. He must come in on the back of an ability to provide some outside run and finish.

        Wallis is playing well and deserves an opportunity to consolidate a spot in the senior side. His decision making and kicking is superior to Smith's (the former attribute isn't necessarily a big slight on either player in my opinion, as both are young and have much to learn), he clearly works hard to attack the ball at least to the same level.

        Veszpremi is probably the only player with the potential to play back other than Murphy (and a fit and in form Gilbee - unsighted for a year or so though) who is half a chance of hurting the opposition by foot and setting us up for clean forward thrusts. Good skills coming out of defense, and sweeping kicks to advantage of midfielders is key to delivering to the forward line with time to pick the right options and execute kicking skills effectively. Stuttering out of defense has hampered our ability to do this, and while we need good kicks around the midfield we also need good kicks clearing the ball from defense.

        Hargrave lucky to retain his place, and Liberatore needs to pull his finger out and get his hands on the footy more this week.
        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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        • G-Mo77
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Apr 2007
          • 9876

          Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

          Originally posted by bornadog
          I didn't like Wood playing in defence last year and this year he is being found out. I think he has potential but a new role needs to be found and a stint at Willi may help him develop to be a better player.
          I actually love his run and carry from defence personally. It's what we lack badly.

          Has Wood's role changed to last year? I didn't see the Crows game and I only really kept half an eye on the replay of Saturday's game. Round 1 he played more central than what he normally would, I'm pretty sure I saw him on a wing in that game.

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          • Hotdog60
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Aug 2009
            • 5907

            Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

            Maybe Wood needs to be tried as an attacking player, he may have more upside being creative and making the opposition try and stop him rather than the other way round.

            Take him back to Willi and see how he goes forward of centre, but at this point in time that maybe hard with our current defensive stocks.

            It would be good to see the coach have one of those pieces of brilliance were a player is moved from were he normally plays and becomes a star in a new position. A bit like Harbrow's move to defense from Eade.
            Don't piss off old people
            The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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            • Ghost Dog
              WOOF Member
              • May 2010
              • 9404

              Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

              Originally posted by Hotdog60
              Maybe Wood needs to be tried as an attacking player, he may have more upside being creative and making the opposition try and stop him rather than the other way round.

              Take him back to Willi and see how he goes forward of centre, but at this point in time that maybe hard with our current defensive stocks.

              It would be good to see the coach have one of those pieces of brilliance were a player is moved from were he normally plays and becomes a star in a new position. A bit like Harbrow's move to defense from Eade.
              Compared him to Andrew Walker of Carlton in another thread.
              You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66726

                Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                Originally posted by G-Mo77
                I actually love his run and carry from defence personally. It's what we lack badly.

                Has Wood's role changed to last year? I didn't see the Crows game and I only really kept half an eye on the replay of Saturday's game. Round 1 he played more central than what he normally would, I'm pretty sure I saw him on a wing in that game.
                Has hardly run and bounced at all this year. Last year he did a couple of times and we were all fooled in thinking he was creative and playing well, when in fact he was an average player.

                He needs to get more of the ball and run run run and deliver with precision. Really needs to watch Murphy the way he plays. He is very athletic and has loads of potential, we just need to find the right spot for him.
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                • Maddog37
                  WOOF Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3132

                  Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                  Wood really strikes me as a forward in the long run. Very good in one out contests. Very strong and explosive. Has a big leap and can grab the ball.

                  The backline may be the best place for his football education in the short term though, especially if he has to play in the Dogs forward line (as opposed to Geelong etc).

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                    Why don't we try and turn Wood into a tagger? What's his fitness like? Could he go with a midfielder all day?

                    Free up Picken who can actually find the ball and use it pretty well.

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                    • Nuggety Back Pocket
                      WOOF Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 2064

                      Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      You don't think Sherman should come in?
                      Sherman should come in as we are desperately short of goalkickers and he would add pace to the line up. I thought Djeerkura didn't deserve to be the sub against St. Kilda as in the first half against Adelaide was the only forward who looked like kicking a goal. Dickson is another potential goalkicker who should be recalled.
                      We are relying too much on the likes of Jones, Grant, Gia and Higgins who simply haven't been firing up forward.

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                      • 1eyedog
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 13235

                        Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                        OUTS:

                        Minson: He is out of form and is not offering any more than Roughhead around the ground. I would pinch hit with Cordy in the ruck, Roughie does not have an engine to ruck all day.

                        Hargrave: He has to go to make a statement. He was okay in round 2 but he is also badly out of form. It's about time we gave someone else a run. The same could be said for Gia and Higgins.

                        Addision: I never want him in the team, I don't think he is good enough. being hard at the ball is not enough.

                        INS:

                        Sherman: We need some run pretty badly.

                        Wallis: May as well play him if he is the future.

                        DJ: He deserves a full game

                        I would play Grant deep forward and Jones across half forward until he blows up. When he does I would move Murphy forward for half a quarter or so to see how we go, we are breaking down badly across half forward, I realise this has to do with what is coming in from further up the ground but we need to make structure changes in the forward line without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
                        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                          Lake out Sherman in
                          Maybe Smith for Wallis too

                          Roughy or Cordy to help down back.

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                          • chef
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14622

                            Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                            Compared him to Andrew Walker of Carlton in another thread.
                            Seriously?

                            In what way?
                            The curse is dead.

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                            • EasternWest
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10002

                              Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                              Originally posted by chef
                              Seriously?

                              In what way?
                              Now who's showing their colours !
                              "It's over. It's all over."

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                              • Missing-Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 3102

                                Re: Match Committee - Round 4 vs Melbourne

                                Originally posted by 1eyedog
                                OUTS:

                                Minson: He is out of form and is not offering any more than Roughhead around the ground. I would pinch hit with Cordy in the ruck, Roughie does not have an engine to ruck all day.

                                Hargrave: He has to go to make a statement. He was okay in round 2 but he is also badly out of form. It's about time we gave someone else a run. The same could be said for Gia and Higgins.

                                Addision: I never want him in the team, I don't think he is good enough. being hard at the ball is not enough.

                                INS:

                                Sherman: We need some run pretty badly.

                                Wallis: May as well play him if he is the future.

                                DJ: He deserves a full game

                                I would play Grant deep forward and Jones across half forward until he blows up. When he does I would move Murphy forward for half a quarter or so to see how we go, we are breaking down badly across half forward, I realise this has to do with what is coming in from further up the ground but we need to make structure changes in the forward line without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
                                I agree with most of your post and like DJ to get a fulll game and Wallis to get more game time then Smith this year.

                                But seriously Addison??? He has been the only consistant defender we have and not only does he try all day long, he has not been beaten yet and efficiency is 1 of the highest in the team. I think he has 100% efficiency against Adelaide and wouldnt be suprised if he had similar numbers against the saints. He was even presenting when Wood got caught by hayes in the backline but Wood decided to take Hayes on. Think Addison has earned his spot and should stay based on his current form.

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