A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

[Missing-Dog]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

We clearly hung our heads and did not put up a fight. We didnt have much going our way and a few turn overs including our captons really shows what kind of night we were having. I think this weeks game against Melbourne will be alot different to what we have seen in any of the previous games.

We have some quality players lets not kid ourselves, maybe not top 4 material but im sure the top clubs wouldnt mind having a handful of our players on their list. Our Quality players have not been in form and setting up our structure has been slow which lets other teams catch us out.

I dont think we can kick 80 odd points against west coast over 3 quarters then kick stuff all against st Kilda with the same personel. We lacked intencity and structure which is where we got caught out. Lets see what Macca has done this week with the playing group and lets see them get out there this Sunday to give Melbourne a belting!

I will be there cheering my head off thats for sure!

[Mofra]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Brian Lake is not quality?
We all know Ryan Hargrave is down on form but - he is not quality as a defender?
Djekurra is untalented as a forward?
Gia has no qualities to offer?
Liam Jones is without quality?
Marco - A young player but one who the coach has mentioned twice in press conferences as being impressive. Lacks ANY kind of quality?

Compare that list to the Saints' equivalent, and only Lake stands out

There was a noticeable difference in quality on display on Saturday night, and combined with an unpicking of our system they destroyed us.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Compare that list to the Saints' equivalent, and only Lake stands out

There was a noticeable difference in quality on display on Saturday night, and combined with an unpicking of our system they destroyed us.

The above was in response to the comment we we have only 1 quality forward and 1 quality defender. Which is plainly not true.

[ledge]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

We clearly hung our heads and did not put up a fight. We didnt have much going our way and a few turn overs including our captons really shows what kind of night we were having. I think this weeks game against Melbourne will be alot different to what we have seen in any of the previous games.

We have some quality players lets not kid ourselves, maybe not top 4 material but im sure the top clubs wouldnt mind having a handful of our players on their list. Our Quality players have not been in form and setting up our structure has been slow which lets other teams catch us out.

I dont think we can kick 80 odd points against west coast over 3 quarters then kick stuff all against st Kilda with the same personel. We lacked intencity and structure which is where we got caught out. Lets see what Macca has done this week with the playing group and lets see them get out there this Sunday to give Melbourne a belting!

I will be there cheering my head off thats for sure!

Dont agree at all with that, we put up a fight all night, we had more inside 50s , more of the ball, we are just terrible delivering it.

[Hotdog60]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

We all know Ryan Hargrave is down on form but - he is not quality as a defender?

Hard to say, I think Ryan has always been a bit of a turn over artist. I hate to think how many times through his career he has bomb it out of defense to no one in particular. A good honest footballer with the need to get it out of his area fast.

[cinder]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Nothing for David Smorgon? Generally we get his take on things. Seems to have faded into the background a bit...

[AndrewP6]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Make up your mind. In another thread you said "The presser should be the same tone as the closed door discussion. I disagree that the words are meaningless, they are indicative of mindset. The way we're going, false bravado would be an improvement".

So the presser should be the same tone as closed door discussion but BMac's letter to the members shouldn't?

They're different situations. In this case, the question was posed as to whether the letter from McCartney might've been directed at certain players. My issue would be that if he wants to direct criticism at players, he should do it face to face, not in a letter to members.

[westdog54]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

They're different situations. In this case, the question was posed as to whether the letter from McCartney might've been directed at certain players. My issue would be that if he wants to direct criticism at players, he should do it face to face, not in a letter to members.

Or in a press conference, perhaps?

[AndrewP6]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Or in a press conference, perhaps?

Nope, face to face.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

They're different situations. In this case, the question was posed as to whether the letter from McCartney might've been directed at certain players. My issue would be that if he wants to direct criticism at players, he should do it face to face, not in a letter to members.

Not the way I read it but will give you the benefit of a big doubt.

[westdog54]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Nope, face to face.

That goes against what you posted on Sunday:

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showpost.php?p=264030&postcount=15

The presser should be the same tone as the closed door discussion. I disagree that the words are meaningless, they are indicative of mindset

Your words, not mine.

Which is it?

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

Brian Lake is not quality?
We all know Ryan Hargrave is down on form but - he is not quality as a defender?
Djekurra is untalented as a forward?
Gia has no qualities to offer?
Liam Jones is without quality?
Marco - A young player but one who the coach has mentioned twice in press conferences as being impressive. Lacks ANY kind of quality?

I like your optimism. Apart from Lake the others you have mentioned would struggle to get a game in the top 4-5 Clubs.

[ledge]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

I like your optimism. Apart from Lake the others you have mentioned would struggle to get a game in the top 4-5 Clubs.

Personally I think Gia would get a game in any team, very under rated always has been, concentrate on him in games and nothing else and he is a very very good player.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

I like your optimism. Apart from Lake the others you have mentioned would struggle to get a game in the top 4-5 Clubs.

That's so subjective. Is Marco worse than Ryan Schoenmaker?
Pick any forward player of the same age, height and number of games played as Liam Jones. Such a huge gap?
Djekurra has had such limited opportunities in the past, are you really ready to shelve him already?
Gia has been in the system a while. While he may not be in Geelong squad, I'm sure there are a lot of middle tier teams he would get a go in. Good honest player, goal-a-game type.
Gia is worse than any similar type players at Port? Melbourne, Richmond? He's better than a lot of players at those clubs.

Dude cheer up! You'll feel better when we smash Melbourne. ( fingers crossed)

[AndrewP6]

Re: A Message From Brendan McCartney -April 17th

That goes against what you posted on Sunday:

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showpost.php?p=264030&postcount=15

Your words, not mine.

Which is it?

Again, they're different situations. In that other thread I was talking about how words in a press conference can convey one's conviction and mindset, and that they should match the 'closed door' discussions. This instance is referring to making veiled references/threats to players in a letter intended for the general public. My point, which clearly few understand, is that the "letter to the fans" should simply convey his thoughts on the team overall, and specific messages be given directly to those concerned.