Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

[azabob]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

Also, DR, you do realise that Josh Hill is getting regular games in a side that was top four last year and quite likely top two this year?

Agree with your sentiment, although it is debatable that Josh Hill would be getting a game if Le Cras and Nickoski were both fit.

And Boyd? Do you agree he wouldn't be getting a role in a senior top four side?

I agree with Sedat, injuries have helped Hill get a game. Le Cras and Nickosiki would be playing ahead of Hill.

GD, where did anyone say Boyd wouldn't get a game in a top four team? Of course he'd get a game at any other club in the AFL.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

I agree with Sedat, injuries have helped Hill get a game. Le Cras and Nickosiki would be playing ahead of Hill.

GD, where did anyone say Boyd wouldn't get a game in a top four team? Of course he'd get a game at any other club in the AFL.

My mistake - top 5 teams from last year, see below.

Disagree.

The 2012 versions of Lake, Cooney and Morris don't belong on that list (in the context of the discussion).

Doubt Boyd does either - he wouldn't have a got a gig in any of the top 5 teams of last year.

Which leaves Griff and Murphy, who will soon retire.

Our list is poor.

Why? His shocking disposal would rule him out of those teams.

[Desipura]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

There was a positive article in yesterdays paper about Jay Schutlz's form since moving to Port.
No surprise that Wallace was quoted as saying he always rated Schultz and would not have traded him. Whatever makes Terry look good he will let everyone know whether true or not.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

There was a positive article in yesterdays paper about Jay Schutlz's form since moving to Port.
No surprise that Wallace was quoted as saying he always rated Schultz and would not have traded him. Whatever makes Terry look good he will let everyone know whether true or not.

True. More spin than Warne.
This article is more about making himself look good.

[Desipura]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

True. More spin than Warne.
This article is more about making himself look good.

Im awaiting an article on how successful the recruiting of Rawlings and Streety were, just to name a few. Especially giving up pick 17 for Streety for memory!

[azabob]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

My mistake - top 5 teams from last year, see below.

GD you are to kind! My mistake, not yours.

[Sedat]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

There was a positive article in yesterdays paper about Jay Schutlz's form since moving to Port.

Everyone wants to jump on the Schulz bandwagon now

[MrMahatma]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

Disagree.

The 2012 versions of Lake, Cooney and Morris don't belong on that list (in the context of the discussion).

Doubt Boyd does either - he wouldn't have a got a gig in any of the top 5 teams of last year.

Which leaves Griff and Murphy, who will soon retire.

Our list is poor.

As said - I'm feeling optimistic.

2012 Lake has been pretty good. 2011 - sure. But I still think he'll be in the best few key defenders in the comp this season.

Do you think any of the crop coming through will be elite:

- Dahlhaus
- Libba
- Jones
- Grant
- Wallis
- Smith
- Cordy
- Roughead

?

[jeemak]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

Would any of those players (as they are playing this year) have made the top 5 teams of 2011? Maybe Picken, that's it.

Would Higgins and Gia be starved of the clean opportunities like they have been this year at one of the better performed clubs?

Ordinary players are made to look serviceable in a good side, better than average players can be made to look like guns in good sides. The reverse happens to the same players when in a side that's performing poorly.

Anyway, I don't think you'll come around to that type of thinking so I'll leave it there.

[Maddog37]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

Anyone see the list of names in today's paper about assist leaders from the Boomer article?

Fair list of players and Gia in the middle of it.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

Would Higgins and Gia be starved of the clean opportunities like they have been this year at one of the better performed clubs?

Ordinary players are made to look serviceable in a good side, better than average players can be made to look like guns in good sides. The reverse happens to the same players when in a side that's performing poorly.

Anyway, I don't think you'll come around to that type of thinking so I'll leave it there.

That's a fair point but I don't think the 2012 versions of those two are very good. Maybe it's the side around them now, or maybe it's just them.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

As said - I'm feeling optimistic.

2012 Lake has been pretty good. 2011 - sure. But I still think he'll be in the best few key defenders in the comp this season.

Do you think any of the crop coming through will be elite:

- Dahlhaus
- Libba
- Jones
- Grant
- Wallis
- Smith
- Cordy
- Roughead

?

- Dahlhaus - possible
- Libba - possible
- Jones - no
- Grant - no
- Wallis- no
- Smith - possible if he learns to kick
- Cordy - dunno
- Roughead - doubt it

[Eastdog]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

- Dahlhaus - possible
- Libba - possible
- Jones - no
- Grant - no
- Wallis- no
- Smith - possible if he learns to kick
- Cordy - dunno
- Roughead - doubt it

Jones and Wallis still I think have some potential. Jones needs to improve his kicking but he is a very good contested mark. Wallis is still only young and he hasn't played enough games yet to make any judgements on him.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

As said - I'm feeling optimistic.

2012 Lake has been pretty good. 2011 - sure. But I still think he'll be in the best few key defenders in the comp this season.

Do you think any of the crop coming through will be elite:

- Dahlhaus
- Libba
- Jones
- Grant
- Wallis
- Smith
- Cordy
- Roughead

?

'Elite' is a very relative term. Where do you draw the line? Is it elite in their position? I also think players can be bumped up/down from being seen at elite due to playing in strong/poor sides and the affect of being/not being tagged is really underrated.

I believe our list is very poor but I am content (nothing more than that) with the 08, 09 and 10 national/rookie drafts, just think we are paying for a lot of poor drafting before that.

I think Dahl, Libba, Wallis, Cordy, Roughead, Hill, Howard and Tutt offer us a balance of promising players.

The selection of another toiler in Clay Smith last ND is confusing. Fair enough if they purely saw him as the best player available but it seems like we went in with his type at the top of our list.

The biggest problem with our list is that it is extremely unbalanced. Heaps of contested ball winners and talls but extremely light on for speed and foot skills. Having such a noticeably unbalanced list really compromises you on draft day. I really believe in the best available pick philosphy but we need to go with needs.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Terry Wallace says - Current team Weakest since 1996 team.

'Elite' is a very relative term. Where do you draw the line? Is it elite in their position? I also think players can be bumped up/down from being seen at elite due to playing in strong/poor sides and the affect of being/not being tagged is really underrated.

I believe our list is very poor but I am content (nothing more than that) with the 08, 09 and 10 national/rookie drafts, just think we are paying for a lot of poor drafting before that.

I think Dahl, Libba, Wallis, Cordy, Roughead, Hill, Howard and Tutt offer us a balance of promising players.

The selection of another toiler in Clay Smith last ND is confusing. Fair enough if they purely saw him as the best player available but it seems like we went in with his type at the top of our list.

The biggest problem with our list is that it is extremely unbalanced. Heaps of contested ball winners and talls but extremely light on for speed and foot skills. Having such a noticeably unbalanced list really compromises you on draft day. I really believe in the best available pick philosphy but we need to go with needs.

An in an under player he will be only in his early 20's when Boyd and Cross are gone. So he is a good pick for the future not necessarily for the present.